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[Funner]

i feel like i am the only person who likes the fact that the doors and roof don't come off my cruisers...

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

Bronco has a long way to go before it gains the level of respect my 80 has worldwide

 

[TWILLY]

Bronco has a long way to go before it gains the level of respect my 80 has worldwide

With all of the new touring wagon offerings -- Defender, Bronco, and soon to be Grenadier -- my first reaction is always, "interesting today, but will they still be in service in two or three decades?"

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

With all of the new touring wagon offerings -- Defender, Bronco, and soon to be Grenadier -- my first reaction is always, "interesting today, but will they still be in service in two or three decades?"

Gladiator is the biggest joke imo very close to the same wheelbase of my PW with an 1100 lb payload.

 

[Otter]

Bronco has a long way to go before it gains the level of respect my 80 has worldwide

Your personal 80 or the 80 series in general?

 

[TWILLY]

Gladiator is the biggest joke imo very close to the same wheelbase of my PW with an 1100 lb payload.

I have learned the hard way that the word "payload" is an instant trigger for Bronco and Jeep enthusiasts.

 

[Dimples]

I have learned the hard way that the word "payload" is an instant trigger for Bronco and Jeep enthusiasts.

If you want payload buy a truck.

 

[TWILLY]

If you want payload buy a truck.

That’s what the Jeep guys say! My 80 does fine, thanks.

 

[Dimples]

That’s what the Jeep guys say! My 80 does fine, thanks.

You obviously have a FZJ80 not a FJ80

 

[TWILLY]

You obviously have a FZJ80 not a FJ80

Somebody piss in your Cheerios, Dimples?

 

[Somebodyelse5]

If you want payload buy a truck.

the gladiator is a "truck"

 

[Dimples]

Somebody piss in your Cheerios, Dimples?

Nope just all too aware of the limitations of the Mighty 3fe

 

[Otter]

Nope just all too aware of the limitations of the Mighty 3fe

@TWILLY is rocking the 3FE also.

 

[TWILLY]

@TWILLY is rocking the 3FE also.

Yep. The 3FE's saving grace is that it's more reliable than it is slow, and, to be clear, it's slower than whale song--and almost as loud.

It came to market when the US was just adopting 65mph speed limits. Even then, in 1992, I was shocked at how slow it was. I wondered: Is producing an engine with only a single desirable attribute a zen minimalist way of honoring that attribute (reliability)? (Sort of, yes--they sacrificed everything for reliability.)

Anyhow, far more so than the FZJ80, the FJ80 truly is a truck from an era past. After 28 years, I'm used to it. Don't like it? Don't drive it--and everyone's good.

Back to payload:

Anyone know why the 80 Series payload dropped from the mid-1900 lbs to mid-1700 lbs with the change from FJ80 to FZJ80? With the move to full float rear axle, I would have expected the opposite. Was it the addition of two hundred more pounds of fancy bits?

 

[Otter]

Yep. The 3FE's saving grace is that it's more reliable than it is slow, and, to be clear, it's slower than whale song--and almost as loud.

It came to market when the US was just adopting 65mph speed limits. Even then, in 1992, I was shocked at how slow it was. I wondered: Is producing an engine with only a single desirable attribute a zen minimalist way of honoring that attribute (reliability)? (Sort of, yes--they sacrificed everything for reliability.)

Anyhow, far more so than the FZJ80, the FJ80 truly is a truck from an era past. After 29 years, I'm used to it. Don't like it? Don't drive it--and everyone's good.

I had a 91 for over 6 years. Drove mine from Atlanta to Phoenix when we moved here and plenty of trips after that. I'm very familiar with its attributes. It was only slow getting to the trail. Kept up just fine once we hit the dirt.

There are times when I miss that truck.

 

[TWILLY]

I had a 91 for over 6 years. Drove mine from Atlanta to Phoenix when we moved here and plenty of trips after that. I'm very familiar with its attributes. It was only slow getting to the trail. Kept up just fine once we hit the dirt.

There are times when I miss that truck.

Yep, mine's been relegated to dirt touring duty for years; that's where they shine.

 

[Dimples]

Yep. The 3FE's saving grace is that it's more reliable than it is slow, and, to be clear, it's slower than whale song--and almost as loud.

It came to market when the US was just adopting 65mph speed limits. Even then, in 1992, I was shocked at how slow it was. I wondered: Is producing an engine with only a single desirable attribute a zen minimalist way of honoring that attribute (reliability)? (Sort of, yes--they sacrificed everything for reliability.)

Anyhow, far more so than the FZJ80, the FJ80 truly is a truck from an era past. After 28 years, I'm used to it. Don't like it? Don't drive it--and everyone's good.

Back to payload:

Anyone know why the 80 Series payload dropped from the mid-1900 lbs to mid-1700 lbs with the change from FJ80 to FZJ80? With the move to full float rear axle, I would have expected the opposite. Was it the addition of two hundred more pounds of fancy bits?

Didn’t say I didn’t like it. Just that it has some limitations. Didn’t mean for this to sound snippy or anything. I also own a truck for the payload problem. Different vehicles for different purposes.

 

[TWILLY]

Didn’t say I didn’t like it. Just that it has some limitations. Didn’t mean for this to sound snippy or anything. I also own a truck for the payload problem. Different vehicles for different purposes.

My apologies if I misunderstood you there.

I've never thought the early 80s had a payload problem. In fact, the 1925 lb capacity exceeds any of the current Jeeps, any of the current mid-sized trucks, many of the current full-sized trucks, including Tundra and Power Wagon, and Suburban, Expedition, and any other four wheel drive wagon wagon except, I think, the new Defender. I've always appreciated having that much capacity in a mid-sized and off-road capable wagon--great for touring and peace of mind.

But yeah, it's certainly no Super Duty or the like.

 

[Saddletramp]

My apologies if I misunderstood you there.

I've never thought the early 80s had a payload problem. In fact, the 1925 lb capacity exceeds any of the current Jeeps, any of the current mid-sized trucks, many of the current full-sized trucks, including Tundra and Power Wagon, and Suburban, Expedition, and any other four wheel drive wagon wagon except, I think, the new Defender. I've always appreciated having that much capacity in a mid-sized and off-road capable wagon--great for touring and peace of mind.

But yeah, it's certainly no Super Duty or the like.

maybe Ford Excursion at 1950#

 

[Dimples]

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