Clusters, Gauges, Speedo & Odo meters

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Calling Treeroot- He just bought a sweet '59. As I was drooling I did notice the instrument panel but was too busy scratching my head over the stock 4-speed tranny it had. Id love to know why the only factory option for my '64 was a three speed. Seems weird that they'd go backwards.
 
Hello you guys,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I am thinking JohnnyC might be correct. One of the things I noticed about this 1962 when I bought it was just how intact everything was. It also did not have any cancer rust or dents on it. As I am restoring it back to new I have been able to use many of the original parts with only limited clean-up as things were so well preserved in that barn for all those years. I have owned other cruisers that showed much more wear than this one and they were late 60's, early 70's. I guess my point is that I just can't see the previous owners ( 1962 to 1965 ) and then (1965 to 2012 ) completely gutting that cluster, pulling off that plate and replacing it yet not touching anything else in there. Based on what I have seen during the restore that scenario just does not seem reasonable. These past owners were hunters and horse ranchers. In fact the reason it sat from 68 to 2012 in the barn was due to broken teeth on the flywheel and a broken column shifter. The owners were not mechanics, had many other vehicles and just decided to never fix the cruiser. I bought it with the broken stuff in 2012. So, I agree with JohnnyC. I think somehow Toyota just threw parts together in 1962, obviously not thinking that 50 years later folks like us would be trying to figure it all out. lol. Thanks again for any input and PLEASE,,,,,,,,,,,if anyone out there has a similar cluster I would love for you to post it up for me to see. That would be cool. fjfjfj
 
FJFJF / 1962 FJ40 some before and after

Here is the cruiser in the barn in Steamboat Springs where it sat from 1968 to 2012, 44k miles on it. This is where I found it. Have made a lot of progress on the restore and hope to be finished within two weeks. Thanks again for all input regarding the cluster. Maybe someone out there has one like it in their cruiser. FJFJFJ.
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Baja1d,,,,,,,,,,,That 1959 is jaw dropping cool man. Looked at all the pics. Wish it was mine. lol. I want em all!!! fjfjfj

I hear ya. I'm really glad that parts from my '64 made onto his rig... Makes me smile
 
Inspection putty is used a lot of times to inhibit owner adjustment. But I've never seen a dealer put it back on, say a fuel/air mixture screw, after removing it and adjusting. Nail polish is frequently used as you noted because it is so brittle it will pop off if messed with and that is a tell tale sign someone has removed it. Probably during the time these gages were being made the ladies didn't wear green nail polish:)
 
1970 Instrument Cluster Replacement

The Ebay seller indicated it was a 1973 but looking at your pictures it looks like maybe 1975 or newer as it has the round pin plug. I have been wrestling with PO wiring modifications for two days. It really sucks when the color code has been reduced to red and black. Regardless I have identified my gage wires, installed a new speedometer cable for the difference in the plug. Now I finally look closely at the new cluster and realize my wiring doesn't like it. I have researched and cannot find the pin plug. I'm not sure if Radio Shack (here in Ecuador) will have smaller bullet females but I am thinking that although the studs on the back of the new gauge cluster are shorter than the old one that I can still wire directly into them and leave the bullet pins for the bulbs and turn signals? Am I misleading myself? Thanks, I'm in trouble here on this one.
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The cluster in the fist pic on the left is a 2nd generation cluster from March '69 till Sept. '72
The one on the right is a 3rd generation cluster with a VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor) on top of the Speedo meter. This cluster is used from Oct. '72 till Dec. '78.

There is no part number for that Barrel connector. It looks like the connectors from the 50's, 60's and 70's used in TV sets for electron tubes.

You can always use female spade crimp connectors. I do that for testing.
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Thank you Rudi for the picture! I had picked up some female spades the other day and the fellow also dug out a four blade plug with wires and so I bought that too and spliced it into this nightmare. So I think with your idea I can make a semi-temporary setup so I can continue with work. I will try Mike Decker at CruiserParts.net and see if he can fix me up with a plug and about 6-12" of wire attached and send it to my daughter in Missouri and I will bring it back with me in October (youngest daughter getting married) along with a new wiring harness. I have read numerous stories/evaluations of the various wiring harnesses on the market and I am on the bubble about going with one of them or just buying a fuse box, wire, etc. and doing it myself. I have done motorcycles and there isn't much more going on with an FJ40 than a bike. Thanks again, it keeps me moving forward this morning.
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I squeezed them so that the two crimps were now touching, making them a little narrower, then crimped and soldered and shrink wrapped them and plugged them into the new instrument cluster. I can see why so many people cut the two little tabs off the bottom of the cluster. In order to install the cluster you slip these two little tabs over the bottom edge and then rotate it into position where it is held by two screws to the dash. The problem is there is like no room to get your hand back there to plug in the speedo cable and you can't rotate the cluster into place with the speedo cable in place. Anyway, when I was done I went to attach the negative cable and as always I check to see if it sparks. If it does on a car like this that does not have a clock, interior light, etc. something is wrong. It sparked. So the first thing I disconnected was the positive ammeter wire. No spark and so I turned the key to accessory and saw the gas gauge swing to full. So I pulled my new, just installed, choke cable (the old one eventually came out of the sheath but it was never going to clean up and be smooth) and hit start and it fired right up. Oil and Temp swung slowly to full right. When I turned the motor off they and the fuel gauge returned full left. Oil and Temp did eventually move again, but not with any kind of consistency and most of the time just didn't move at all. The dash lights work, the hazard lights work. The high beam does not work and so it is back to chasing wires tomorrow. I had "identified" wires by looking for continuity via the ohmmeter. Tomorrow I will disconnect sending unit wires and jump 12V straight into them and then check the gauge end via voltmeter to assure that is the right wire. While scratching my ass and the motor was running I pulled the negative cable off. If the alternator and regulator are working the motor should stay running, it did.
 
I squeezed them so that the two crimps were now touching, making them a little narrower, then crimped and soldered and shrink wrapped them and plugged them into the new instrument cluster. I can see why so many people cut the two little tabs off the bottom of the cluster. In order to install the cluster you slip these two little tabs over the bottom edge and then rotate it into position where it is held by two screws to the dash. The problem is there is like no room to get your hand back there to plug in the speedo cable and you can't rotate the cluster into place with the speedo cable in place. Anyway, when I was done I went to attach the negative cable and as always I check to see if it sparks. If it does on a car like this that does not have a clock, interior light, etc. something is wrong. It sparked. So the first thing I disconnected was the positive ammeter wire. No spark and so I turned the key to accessory and saw the gas gauge swing to full. So I pulled my new, just installed, choke cable (the old one eventually came out of the sheath but it was never going to clean up and be smooth) and hit start and it fired right up. Oil and Temp swung slowly to full right. When I turned the motor off they and the fuel gauge returned full left. Oil and Temp did eventually move again, but not with any kind of consistency and most of the time just didn't move at all. The dash lights work, the hazard lights work. The high beam does not work and so it is back to chasing wires tomorrow. I had "identified" wires by looking for continuity via the ohmmeter. Tomorrow I will disconnect sending unit wires and jump 12V straight into them and then check the gauge end via voltmeter to assure that is the right wire. While scratching my ass and the motor was running I pulled the negative cable off. If the alternator and regulator are working the motor should stay running, it did.

If your OIL and TEMP gauges swing full right on a cold and idle running engine, something is wrong. Maybe you have a short in the wiring or your senders are defective.
Keep in mind that those gauges work on a bi-metal system that needs some time to heat up (and cool down) so they are a bit slow in movement.

Your almost there.

Rudi
 
I used your testing scenario this morning with a 3W bulb and Fuel, Temp & Oil gauges appear to be operating normally, however, the ammeter gauge is pegged to the + side and does not move. I was able to verify that the wire from the voltage regulator is the wire to the ammeter. The wire to the oil sending unit is hot all time and that isn't right, it should be key hot so it looks like I will have to get deeper into this nasty wiring harness. I also went to disconnect the wire to the temperature sending unit and there is some kind of a mess there as well. When I pull the connection straight up it was pulling away from two thin wires and the body of the connector was wrapped in teflon. Aaaarrggh. Need to disconnect the fuel gauge sending unit and remove it from the tank and check it with the ohmmeter through range of motion as well as verify that I have the correct wire identified for fuel.
 
Apparently I didn't check fuel this morning and probably because it was "operating" yesterday. However, after verifying that the fuel sending unit is operating just fine from 4.3 Ohm to 124.0 Ohm I checked the gauges again with the test lamp. Oil and Temp work just fine, nice and smooth. The ammeter does nothing. So I took the face off and removed the gauges. On the attached photos you can see that the bulb is lit and is brighter on the center post than the side post but there is no needle movement. I used a matchbook emery between the points to no avail. I note that the two "stacks" of finely wound wire are white, however, the stack on the near side in the photo (opposite of the points) has some brownish coloration and I am "presuming" that means I cooked it yesterday while the motor was running, it was pegged to full and I was checking other stuff. The ammeter is very simple but it doesn't do anything. Not sure what to check on it. There are a couple of wings on either side of the needle arm, they were crooked and I'm not sure if there is a specified air gap between them and the magnet. Bending them closer didn't do anything. So I think that the only thing to do is rip this harness out and see if I can make heads or tails about how it has been rewired or partly rewired. It has a non-stock fuse box as it has the blade fuses and as I mentioned before there is nothing like a color code. Although I did find the correct wire at the fuel sending unit, but it was only about twelve inches and then spliced into a blue wire that checks to the dashboard, but it is a different color (black of course) when it gets to the dash and so I'm not sure where it changed, again. Frustrating to say the least. There is just so much jury rigging that went on with this vehicle. I'm $15K, six months and still can't take it back to inspection. Not my best decision.
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Apparently I didn't check fuel this morning and probably because it was "operating" yesterday. However, after verifying that the fuel sending unit is operating just fine from 4.3 Ohm to 124.0 Ohm I checked the gauges again with the test lamp. Oil and Temp work just fine, nice and smooth. The ammeter does nothing. So I took the face off and removed the gauges. On the attached photos you can see that the bulb is lit and is brighter on the center post than the side post but there is no needle movement. I used a matchbook emery between the points to no avail. I note that the two "stacks" of finely wound wire are white, however, the stack on the near side in the photo (opposite of the points) has some brownish coloration and I am "presuming" that means I cooked it yesterday while the motor was running, it was pegged to full and I was checking other stuff. The ammeter is very simple but it doesn't do anything. Not sure what to check on it. There are a couple of wings on either side of the needle arm, they were crooked and I'm not sure if there is a specified air gap between them and the magnet. Bending them closer didn't do anything. So I think that the only thing to do is rip this harness out and see if I can make heads or tails about how it has been rewired or partly rewired. It has a non-stock fuse box as it has the blade fuses and as I mentioned before there is nothing like a color code. Although I did find the correct wire at the fuel sending unit, but it was only about twelve inches and then spliced into a blue wire that checks to the dashboard, but it is a different color (black of course) when it gets to the dash and so I'm not sure where it changed, again. Frustrating to say the least. There is just so much jury rigging that went on with this vehicle. I'm $15K, six months and still can't take it back to inspection. Not my best decision.

So the OIL and TEMP gauges are OK.
The AMP gauges is difficult to test. It takes 1 to 3 Amps before you see the needle moving. That AMP meter is a magnetometer with a fixed and a moving magnet. When the current changes, the magnetic field changes which will make the needle move. Don't start bending or adjusting. It will work fine once it is hooked up.
You can do an ohm test. The reading should be 0 (zero) Ω / ohm as if it is a short (which it is).

Now the FUEL gauge.... This is a 2 in 1 unit.
1st part is the Voltage Regulator and the 2nd part is the FUEL gauge. You can not test this with a test light in series.
I hope you've read my postings earlier in this thread to understand what this gauge does. Go to page 2 / #27

For your convenience I post 2 more pics to show how they are build.
This is the FUEL gauge seen from the front when you remove the face plate.
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This is the FUEL gauge seen from the back.
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To test this gauge you have to connect Pos. and Neg. 12V to the gauge. Once you've hooked this up you'll notice that the VR arm (stack as you call it) is moving in a rapid way, about 2x per second. It's now creating an intermittent 0 - 12 - 0 - 12 - 0 - 12V.
Effective this is a wobbly 6 Volt. This Voltage is internally connected to the FUEL gauge and to the top stud which goes to the TEMP gauge.
When you have this working, hook up your test light to the SENDER stud and the ground (neg.) folded lip. The test light should flash and the needle should move.

I hope you didn't fry this gauge.

For the wiring to the senders......
Just leave the old wires and run new ones directly from the senders to the cluster.

BTW, make sure that your fuel sender is grounded.
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Rudi

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I hope so as well, however, I fear. Anyway, thank you for the tip. Please refer to the second drawing looking at the back side of the gauge. At your 120 Ohm spec I read 122.7. However, at the 25 Ohm spec I read 134.9. I do not see any movement in the VR stack. When I connect the test lamp it is steady at first and then starts flashing but there is no needle movement.
 
I fear too that your FUEL gauge is gone.
The VR part (120Ω) works. The movement of that stack is minimal and difficult to see by eye, but the flashing light proves that it works.

The FUEL gauge (25Ω) is now 135Ω which means that it's cooked, burned, gone, kaput. Sorry to say so.
You have to leave the FUEL gauge in place, because of the VR that provides the voltage for the TEMP gauge, until you have a replacement gauge.

Rudi
 
Thanks Rudi, I'm still not sure how/why it got cooked as it must have been getting too much voltage? Not sure how that could happen since we are testing at 12V. Oh well, I agree with you, when I saw the high reading for the 25 ohm side I figured it was toast, and that is the "stack" that has some discoloration on it as well. Guess I will enjoy some of your kind of weather this weekend. Your address indicates you are on the beach or nearby. I will travel to Guayaquil this weekend for my brother-in-laws birthday party. Guayaquil is only three degrees south of the equator, much like where I am in Cuenca, but I am at 8,000 ft. and so the weather is very nice, as opposed to the sweltering heat and humidity of the basin. Again, thanks for your help. I have taped off wires for the time being, the ignition works and so the vehicle could be moved as required until I get what I need to do the job right with regards to gauges and wiring.
 
here's the original 1962 guage in our 40. i do not have the original gauges from my 1965, but recall the p.o. telling me he took it for his rig since it was the white faced gauge. i wonder if on fjfjfj's rig, someone replaced just the speedo (or had dealer do it) at some point, hence the black? it obviously was more than just a farm rig since they painted it...they tried to give a crap about it.
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