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UGA had a similar initiative back in the mid 80's when Jan Kemp (the devil) a professor challenged UGA's academic treatment of athletes... UGA football suffered for many years. We've come to our senses.

Some (certainly not all) of these college athletes would never have an opportunity to attend college were it not for their athletic skills... why universities don't view this as an opportunity to have a positive impact on someone's life vs. trying to view and treat them like the people that are there solely due to their academic track record I don't know. If they don't go to college, are they better off? I don't think so.

Good luck with this!!
 
Sounds if Clemson has gotten a little to high and mighty for itself.............

I think the "big brains" in charge of all this are a little out of touch with reality; the sad truth is Athletetics and especially football at Clemson produces more money than anything else and the univesity itself will take a big hit if the football program suffers.......... "it is a neccessary evil"

I feel the worst for those kids that had their hearts set on coming to clemson and were turned away at the last minute, that in my mind was extremely unprofessional
 
Sounds like a good plan to me (but I am in admissions @ a college) however, it does look like they have taken it a little far. There is a balance that needs to be reached and it seems like they have not found it yet.

If this is true,

"Jones has a 2.25 core GPA and a 670 SAT. He is currently taking three core classes. If he made Bs on each core credit he would have to raise his SAT to an 800. Jones signed with North Carolina, a top 10 public institution, on Wednesday."

Wow...if you make a 670 on the SAT! They basically give you that now for writing your name on it and guessing at every question. (This SAT today is not like what you and I took back in the day.) Also a 2.25 core GPA (I guess this is his core classes to graduate?) I dont knwo what HS this guy went to but a 2.25 HS GPA is not good at all!

OK rant over....they need to find a balance with this stuff. (JUCO does need to be considered.) But to be honest, we all knwo that the athletes get treated differently as large state schools. No matter what teh school...



OK rant over for real!
 
Welcome to my world. OK, not really... :rolleyes:

While I don't pretend to understand all of the nuances with this situation, I have been reading about it for the last few days.

This is a tough one for you Clemson folk. While your football team hasn't accomplished what it has had the potential to, it is still a very successful part of your school and a large part of your identity today.

Most would say that your recent results on the football field have been mediocre. To fall further into the ranks of mediocrity by suddenly limiting your recruiting prospects based on their academic qualifications is going to have a short term negative impact of the team.

It is possible (though not easy) to compete while holding your student-athletes to more stringent academic requirements. The challenge will be for the fan base, coaches and student body to continue to support the program through the transition.
 
89s rule said:
Jones signed with North Carolina, a top 10 public institution, on Wednesday."
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That's the part that would burn me up if I was a Clemson fan, student, etc.

Just goes to show that politics and under the table deals are helping to work around some of these admission hurdles.

UNC is not only a top 10 public school, it is continually a top 30 school in the country, year in and year out. How a kid gets turned away at Clemson and accepted at UNC - all based on academic qualifications, is rotten from the beginning.
 
Hey we are dumbing down our academics and increasing our ability to play football all at the same time. Just because he scored a 670 on the SAT now doesn't mean that will be his final score at the time he is accepted. There is a lot of time left in this semester.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=880
 
All I have to say is if UNC can except him then we have absolutely no reason not to. That is really getting on your high horse when you turn away a guy for academics then UNC says sure your smart enough to go here. If they are that worried about their SAT average or something like that then they should just take a couple extra oriental kids who got a perfect score. His 670 is ridiculously low though. This isnt like when I took the SAT's and 1600 was the high score. With the changes they made I think 1800 is the high now. What makes it even worse is they waited to the very last minute to turn him away. People will know that and that will make it hard to recruit later. Its also a waste of a huge amount of money. Coaches took trips to recruit him and paid for the official visits and spent all kinds of time doing this for nothing. The 2 Jones we lost yesterday were the difference in a top 15 recruiting class and the top 25 recruiting class we ended up with.
 
The high now is a 2400. But they are only quoting 2 score so the high would be 1600 still. But the test were reconfigured several times starting right after I can through.

anyways....i just need to ignore this thread. If that guy brings his score up from a 670 to acceptable then I will be very impressed! Most scores only go up about 100 pts max.
 
670 is hard to imagine............. I am not the brightest crayon in the box but I scored just under 1000 in the 7th grade.......... it is astounding to me how he could graduate high school with a SAT of only 670

but such is the life of a high profile sports star alot more doors open for you.........
 
Yeah but do to the format change with the SAT, 670 now is MUCH less than when you took it...

That makes it even more disturbing!
 
that is true........... I am hoping he just didn't care enough to put forth any effort........ because from what I understand you get 200 hundred points for filling out your name and school information and that was on the old system:doh:
 
His 670 is still on the old scale, so roughly 335 on math and 335 on reading. On the new scale he would have roughly have a 1005, assuming he again scores 335 on the writing section.

On a side note, UNC has received close to 20,000 applicants for less than 3,900 spots this year. Of those 3,900, about 3,198 are reserved for in-state students, or 82% of the class. So that leaves 702 spots for out-of-state students. However, UNC receives roughly TWICE as many out of state applications as in-state applications. That means this guy with a 2.25 and 670 is taking one of those 702 spots from a pool of about 13,500 out-of-state students . . . they are bending over backwards for him.

Also, Clemson has received over 13,000 applications this year, but I am not sure how many spots they have.

It's only getting harder to get in . . .

Travis
 
Thought it was the new scale but either way, the dude ain't bright.

You're right about the applicant numbers at UNC. It is also much harder (admissions criteria) to get into UNC out of state compared to in state.
 
We all can't be rocket sigh-n-tits

That's a shame. Cocks wind up with the#4 recruiting class
according to ESPN. I just hate rubbing salt in a wound. :flipoff2:
Guess Tommy can blame next year on academics. What was the GPA
for this year's bunch? Wasn't it like 2.1 something?
Don't worry, Tommy will coach this new bunch up and ya'll
will win 8 or 9 games again this year. Korn is gonna save the day
if nothing else. :cheers:
I bet those Gamecock recruits are dumb as rocks and couldn't get in CU
and that is why they didn't get recruited by ya'll in the first place.
USC : College for Dummies :grinpimp: Loosing with dummies for over a hunderd
yars and countin'
 
Andy you and travis are correct....when we took the tests there were less with higher scores thus many of us think or at least I have always hear that there was about a 100-200 point difference with the old test we took to the newer test that JP and younger others took in HS?

Travis you are right on the new 3 section, but if this guy got a 335 or higher I would be highly suprized. I bet it was under 300. (From what we see on the new writing portion it is usually the lowest score.)

anyways...matt keep yourself ou t this thread I deal with this stuff enough every single day.
 
football is a huge part of clemson and i think that's largely due to fan loyalty. This is the kind of stuff that could really damage that. I am all for academics, i mean, it's foolish to go to college and blow it off under the assumtion that you'll be a professionl athlete and I can see clemson's fear of this happening. however, to reject these guys right off the bat isn't right. they will contribute to clemson the same as a someone with a 4.0 just in a different way. They need to set up better special programs for these athletes, work with them to bring their grades up, you know, educate them like do every other student. Afterall, is that what a university does?

If it's true, disappointing.
 
VTCruiser said:
They need to set up better special programs for these athletes, work with them to bring their grades up, you know, educate them like do every other student. Afterall, is that what a university does?

If it's true, disappointing.
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College isnt for that. I am all for academics as well as athletics (been a huge clemson fan since I was born). (Maybe its b/c I am within the system now? Or maybe b/c our school always competes at the middle of our confrence and has the highest graduation rate for athletes of most every school in SC or even the Southeast.)

Its not a public HS who is there to help everyone and has to, even those who could care less. A 670 SAT! Gosh...I agree with dont wipe them off the map, but if they are that low then dont waist your time. Unless he is in "special calsses" which every large university has for at least some athletes, then he will flunk out first semester.


Find a middle ground I say...find a middle ground.
 
89s rule said:
College isnt for that. I am all for academics as well as athletics (been a huge clemson fan since I was born). (Maybe its b/c I am within the system now? Or maybe b/c our school always competes at the middle of our confrence and has the highest graduation rate for athletes of most every school in SC or even the Southeast.)

Its not a public HS who is there to help everyone and has to, even those who could care less. A 670 SAT! Gosh...I agree with dont wipe them off the map, but if they are that low then dont waist your time. Unless he is in "special calsses" which every large university has for at least some athletes, then he will flunk out first semester.


Find a middle ground I say...find a middle ground.
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Just because you may be more intelligent doesn't mean you are a better person. I was less fortunate in the brain world and I did not have a high score on the SAT...doesn't mean I'm dumb, I just can't take a standardized test. Clemson saw my potential in other areas and I took summer school at Clemson before my freshman year and graduated with a degree in forestry. My GPA was never spectacular but I got that sheet of paper and that's all that matters. No employer has ever asked me what my GPA was, why? cause they don't give a s***. Look at the student athletes and look how many have graduated...it's a high percentage. Just cause they all didn't get a degree in medicine doesn't mean they are dumb. Everyone has their own level of "smartness" and it is the university's best interest to have their athletes gradute. Why do you think they have mandatory study hall for them. If colleges only looked at GPA's then we'd have a bunch of Ivey league football players.
 
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