Do you have any idea where he posted this? I've been looking for info on this setup for a while, with no luck.
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Do you have any idea where he posted this? I've been looking for info on this setup for a while, with no luck.
The purpose for the jig is to offer a frontend MINUS brackets. We have no intent on offering with 80 series brackets.
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A for instance, to debate.
Let's say that hi steer knuckles were on hand, with the intent of hydro assist, and 3 link were a real possibility, with coils and shocks, not coil overs. Maintaining the 8" Toyota front, all 80 axle components, save the knuckles.
At this point, would it be sheer stupidity to not go with a fabricated housing?
Seems the majority that do abandon the 8" e locked, and I know that'd makes the most sense (Hi-9 or LC 9.5") , but assuming the reason for a fabricated housing is solely for the purpose of third change, since there's minimal reports of 8" axle housing issues.
Input?
Let's say that hi steer knuckles were on hand, with the intent of hydro assist, and 3 link were a real possibility, with coils and shocks, not coil overs. Maintaining the 8" Toyota front, all 80 axle components, save the knuckles.
At this point, would it be sheer stupidity to not go with a fabricated housing?
Seems the majority that do abandon the 8" e locked, and I know that'd makes the most sense (Hi-9 or LC 9.5") , but assuming the reason for a fabricated housing is solely for the purpose of third change, since there's minimal reports of 8" axle housing issues.
Input?
maxamillion2345
Franken-80
If you're going 3 link, hydro, and debating on custom housing, why not just get a 60? Just my thoughts... you may have your reasons.
That said I think if you gusset the knuckle balls you're good with the stock housing, especially if you truss all the way to the knuckle balls. Just my .02 again.
That said I think if you gusset the knuckle balls you're good with the stock housing, especially if you truss all the way to the knuckle balls. Just my .02 again.
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They're dumb ones, but I do have reasons.
Figured on gusseting knuckles. Not 100% sure how the top truss interacts/interferes with the upper link mount, yet, since all veiled in a cloak of secrecy, but even running one on the bottom should add some strength, right?
Realize it'd impact ground clearance, but really only at the side of the diff.
Seen how the mini trucks build "bulletproof" but they've got to be considerably lighter. Still haven't heard of too many housing issues on the front.
I personally like the hi pinion 80 front axles. I'd take them over a 9.5" front any day.
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I like them, too, since that's what I've already built and it's elocked.
Means knuckles would be the biggest departure from OE, so still stays within a self inflicted criteria.
If there's means to reinforce the 8" housing, then I'm sold on keeping.
Land Speeder
InstaH8R
I like the 8" ring and pinions too, they make great additions to my wall of break. And I've got a handful of OEM rings with no teeth.
In all seriousness, the 8" hi-pinion, while it's awesome in many applications, can not be included in the "bulletproof axle". I couldn't even keep the aussie locker healthy in one either. AussieLocker said they don't recommend 40" tires with their lockers, but until Spartan came along, it was the only option, unless I went lincoln locked.
In all seriousness, the 8" hi-pinion, while it's awesome in many applications, can not be included in the "bulletproof axle". I couldn't even keep the aussie locker healthy in one either. AussieLocker said they don't recommend 40" tires with their lockers, but until Spartan came along, it was the only option, unless I went lincoln locked.
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Nitro's
In fairness, in reverse, uphill.
I've said this through many continued problems on other crap, but I've got too much invested to abandon the 8", especially if the OE housing will suffice, BUT I realize that "Bullet Proof" they're not, as everyone responded early on.....and still I invested in it, anyway.
Still on the rear OE 8" R&P on the FJC, so hopefully this can handle 2" taller tires and 1k more weight on the front.
Aussie locker in a front of an 80 with 40 inch tires and you had issues, really?
And that hand full of rings came out or tired old diffs, not ones properly rebuilt if I'm not mistaken.
I'm still convinced your front housing is GaFuk'd.
Land Speeder
InstaH8R
touche.
But we're talking about bullet proof axles... what should we run? 31's?
stock R&P is tougher than anything re-geared, guaranteed. 4wheel parts rebuilt one for me. But... I suppose it still may not have been properly rebuilt.
maxamillion2345
Franken-80
My buddy has a 93? 22re, duals with 4.7s in one, dirty 30s, chromo hub gears, hydro assist, and 40" bias iroks and he beats on the thing pretty good. He just broke all hub and knuckle studs on his passenger side, running stock studs. So far the housing is holding up perfect. He says bent housings are almost unheard of. I think the axle tubs on the 80s axles are a bit thicker too.
You can always run something like this.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/body-armor/438821-defelice-toyota-axle-truss.html
Can you get a custom thrust bolt for the front 8" like the rover guys?
Maybe send em off to be cryod
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maxamillion2345
Franken-80
stock R&P is tougher than anything re-geared, guaranteed. 4wheel parts rebuilt one for me. But... I suppose it still may not have been properly rebuilt.
Carrier bearing pre-load has a lot to do with deflection and a "tired old 3rd" is bound to have very little CBPL, which leads to breakage.
stock R&P is tougher than anything re-geared, guaranteed. 4wheel parts rebuilt one for me. But... I suppose it still may not have been properly rebuilt.
I only loosely followed a thread of yours and I got the impression you were sourcing cheap used diffs as spares.
I myself have seen outer pinion bearings with issues on hi mileage 80s in the front diffs. And would expect them to have an effect on durability if used as a spare.
I myself haven't had issue yet with mine.
Super 14 third, ruff stuff housing, deanbar knuckles and c's 40 spline inners and outers with Ctm u joints... I win
Land Speeder
InstaH8R
Nope, I was sourcing used OEM R&P's! not difs... Paid alot for one set to be set up, paid a little for one to be set up, then finally did it myself. My setup lasted until the demise of the rig. That set is still in that axle.
But yes, all sets were OEM. No one will ever convince me that even tired OEM gears are weaker than the 4.88's or higher gearsets that I see even 35" tires blow on ftoys. I've seen so many of these 8" difs destroyed in mini trucks... obviously they are abusing them alot more than 80-series crowd. But again, we're talking bulletproof.
And all those guys running the hi-pinion 8" dif always have a spare in a bucket ready to go... some folks even carry two buckets!
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Hub studs are already ARP. Knuckle studs on HFs knuckles should take the abuse.
