Anza-B: where's the Squeeze? Climbing up Heat Attack Hill?

[e9999]

OK, so a couple pf clarifications, please:

It is my understanding that the Squeeze is on Pinyon Rd. Correct?

If so, is it to the West of the Pinyon Drop as I assumed, or to the East?

Now, if it's indeed to the West, is it realistic to think of coming from Fish Creek on the East, going up the Pinyon Drop until we get to the Squeeze and then turn around since it appears that the 80 won't fit without drastic narrowing of a semi-permanent nature? Conversely, if it's to the East of PD, can you go down the PD go the Squeeze, turn around, and be reasonably certain that you could make it back up in an 80?

And finally, Heart Attack Hill is the same thing as the Pinyon Drop, is it not?


I really gotta go check that corner of AB...

 

[sdnative]

Pinyon Dropoff AKA Heart Attack Hill is just east of the squeeze (or conversly the squeeze is to the west of pinyon dropoff but the flow is west to east).

Take Pinyon Rd off the S2. A couple miles in you'll hit the squeeze, then the dropoff, then it'll dump you out into fish creek wash.

Yes, theroretically you could go up the dropoff to get to the squeeze, except the dropoff is ONE-WAY - down per AB state park rules.

Going west through fish creek wash and out to the base of the dropoff is a really fun ride. I recommend it even without going up the dropoff. There's even some midly chalenging areas toward the end.

HTH.

 

[e9999]

OK, thanks, good to have that confirmed.
Although as discussed here, the 1 way rule appears to be more a recommendation on which way to do it easily than a strict "rule of the road". Will try yet again to call the ranger's office and find out.

I did watch some videos on HAH, doesn't look too bad going up. Going down may well be puckerish, though, saw some trucks taking serious air.

 

[619TOY]

OK, let me make sure we're on the same page. Are you planning on taking an 80 through the squeeze? If so, I'm there

 

[e9999]

OK, let me make sure we're on the same page. Are you planning on taking an 80 through the squeeze? If so, I'm there

no, seems pretty clear that an 80 is too wide.
but I'd still like to go try out the dropoff or at least check out that trail.

 

[sdnative]

Let me know.


It is definately worth checking out from either side (S2 out to the squeeze and fish creek out to the dropoff). Great trails.

So, when are we going??

I'll be heading out to Sandstone Canyon probably on Apr.14, and would be up for taking a run up fish creek wash to the dropoff.

 

[Vistataco]

no, seems pretty clear that an 80 is too wide.
but I'd still like to go try out the dropoff or at least check out that trail.

Uuuuuum...you must go thru the Squeeze (aka Fat Mans Misery) to go down Pinon Drop off.

I am also planning to head out there mid to the end of April to try out the new sliders. (once they are done)

 

[619TOY]

Uuuuuum...you must go thru the Squeeze (aka Fat Mans Misery) to go down Pinon Drop off.

I am also planning to head out there mid to the end of April to try out the new sliders. (once they are done)

That is the word on the street.

Don't be so quick to say that an 80 couldn't do it e9999. there is only about an inch and a half difference between an 80 and an FJC. I have seen an FJC go through unscathed. Therefore I still believe that it is feasable for an 80 to make it through as well until I see it proven otherwise

 

[Darwalk]

That is the word on the street.

Don't be so quick to say that an 80 couldn't do it e9999. there is only about an inch and a half difference between an 80 and an FJC. I have seen an FJC go through unscathed. Therefore I still believe that it is feasable for an 80 to make it through as well until I see it proven otherwise

Hey Steve, you first

 

[Vistataco]

Hey Steve, you first

I will bring the video camera!

 

[e9999]

Uuuuuum...you must go thru the Squeeze (aka Fat Mans Misery) to go down Pinon Drop off.

snip

yes, but not up

 

[e9999]

That is the word on the street.

Don't be so quick to say that an 80 couldn't do it e9999. there is only about an inch and a half difference between an 80 and an FJC. I have seen an FJC go through unscathed. Therefore I still believe that it is feasable for an 80 to make it through as well until I see it proven otherwise

I'm sure an 80 can make it through. Question is what condition it'll be in when it gets out...
Go ahead and try. Before and after pics, please, plus a movie!

I did watch several movies with YJs or TJs going through and it is indeed very tight even for those. Seems like the problem is not just the width but also the uneven ground which makes the rig oscillate sideways, so a tall long rig may be more likely to hit on the sides. There was even a JK that rolled there apparently...

 

[Bluetribal]

First off, I don't recommend you go up Hart Attack Hill. They have it one way because lesser vehicles than a locked 80 would create HUGE ruts trying to get up it. Just follow the rules in place and we have less people pointing fingers at the off-road community. I understand that the trail up to the squeeze is un-eventful and not worth it if you don't do the Squeeze.
Lastly about the squeeze, I think you have a small chance in getting through it without flares but I only know of 1 FJ that did it without damage. It will get ugly once you commit to going for it. Word on the board is that this 80 went through the Squeeze. LINK

 

[Dan2722]

Three feet of rock rash on either side

No thanks!

 

[SOCALFJ]

As a person who has done it, *(not in a 80 series).. it's harder to go up through the squeeze than the correct way of down. You have to climb up small ledge boulders/slabs to get up and over. Coming down you already lean into the rock walls as it is, combine that with climbing up and you'll not have a good time unless you have absolutely no bobbles. And yes, for the 50th time... its a way one way section. Even though years ago i drove up Heart Attack hill after coming down it.. but it was so long ago i dont think the rule was in the books yet. I would go try it in a heart beat if my paint wasn't in good condition still.

Eric hows your paint? Do you care about the rear quarter panels? and the above sliding windows? Those are the areas that i would see a problem with. I nearly knocked out my window on my XJ going down through it. I also had armor on the quarter rear panels.

If you do it, take pics. I'd like to see just how tight it is now.

 

[Bluetribal]

I honestly would say, NO way a cruiser with flares could do it, without cracking flares. I don't know if I could do it with my Hanna Bumper side protection. If I tried it I would do it while it's rattle canned and before I get it powder coated

 

[e9999]

well, I just called the ranger station down there.

Talked to a very knowledgeable and very friendly guy who even knew what an 80 is. Asked about the 1 way bit. Got a standard answer along the lines of they want people to go one way to avoid damage to the trail by lesser vehicles and don't want people stuck or getting hurt. When I pressed to ask whether it was a "recommendation" or a "strict rule" I got a mixed answer and I got the impression that there is an official answer and then real life that I got fairly clear hints about. May be a case of CYA. Never heard anything so far (asked several times now) along the lines of "yes, you should not do it, it's illegal to go the other way and you can get a ticket". Seems like it's left to the individual to interpret. The references are always about safety (not to be disregarded of course). He did make it clear, though, that the 1 way bit was just the dropoff, not the whole trail. He also mentioned another dropoff ("Faraday"? forgot), E. of HAH.

So, still a bit unclear. Of course, I would not do anything to damage the trail or that is unethical or illegal.

 

[Bluetribal]

Apparently another reason for the one way on that drop off is that there is no way of turning around without going off trail and into the bushes.

 

[LandCrusher'70]

Apparently another reason for the one way on that drop off is that there is no way of turning around without going off trail and into the bushes.

That's what I've always heard.

 

[e9999]

Apparently another reason for the one way on that drop off is that there is no way of turning around without going off trail and into the bushes.

good point!
To take that a bit further, it would be interesting, say, if there was a narrow box canyon between the dropoff and the squeeze, so you'd go up the dropoff (if that were OK), proceed, get stopped at the Squeeze and then have to back down the dropoff...