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in addition to not posting maps for closed trails, it would be a good idea to point out that Bull Dog Canyon can only be traveled by special permit (which will give you the special access code for the gate locks) to be obtained at the Mesa Ranger District
 
I don't dispute closed trails or needing a permit to take the trail. I am just offering something to those who may find it useful. I am sure they won't pul already published Trail Guides because a trails since been closed. If you drive there and it's marked DO NOT ENTER - then you should turn around, not go around! LOL

Clark - PM your information. I took 4 snapshots of AZ as granular as the program would let me. Each TIFF is 21MB roughly - I think that should give enough detail, I can't go any finer in such a large export area.

John
 
I'm interested in a large AZ map. Of course if price is right.
 
Great! well, once Clark can get back with me - we will work out the details and see what kind of print these turn out to be like.

John
 
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Reply enroute! :)
 
I have given Clark the 1/4 sections of the State of AZ. I can't detail any surrounding states, just AZ. This program is a National Geographic run program - and I am not sure the difference between the AZ BLM or ASLD vs. the National Geographic.

The file sizes came out to be about 20-21 MB each (TIFF format) and awaiting Clark's input to how he thinks they will do!

Because I had to break the state up by 1/4's, the export area isn't AS detailed as the Bull dog or Red Creek detail - the program just wouldn't let me do it with that size area. If your looking for a specific area you want Detail from, please let me know and I will see what I can do!

Thanks for all the responses to date!

John
 
I am thinking that breaking it up even more might be better and give better detail...when I blow it up on the computer to the size it will be it gets blurry, I am getting together with my printer on Sunday so I will ask him. But the 16 sections might be the way to go.
 
TOPO! File Formats

clarkrw3 said:
I am thinking that breaking it up even more might be better and give better detail...when I blow it up on the computer to the size it will be it gets blurry, I am getting together with my printer on Sunday so I will ask him. But the 16 sections might be the way to go.
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Ok, I saw that the 1/4 didn't give the Jeep Trails, so I thought that perhaps we might want to all agree on where the 'export areas' should be. If we were to begin about 50 miles in state from the state borders, it might save some coin & workload. Kind of like mid state outward, in parts. I really need to play with the program to see how large of an export area I could get with the 5 out of 5 zoom level.

It's all an experimentation to see how it would be and work. One question I have though Clark - ask your printer which of the following formats would give the best resolution:

TOPO! LET'S ME EXPORT TO THESE FORMATS:
BMP
BMP W/RLE
EPS v.3
GIF87a
GIF89a
JPEG BEST
JPEG GOOD
JPEG FAIR
PCX
TIFF
TIFF w/ LZW
TIFF w/ PACKBITS

I am going to see if I can get some up to date maps too. I will let you know what I find & dates. Please let me know what the Printer says Clark!

John
 
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those are all bit map formats except the EPS v3. EPS files are
vector files and are infinitely scaleable, definitely what you want....
 
LandCruiserPhil said:
Reading the thread I was wondering what it would look like to take the complete file of Arizona and have it printed poster size.
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:confused::hhmm::hhmm: That is what I have been working on. I am working on it with my printer, however, I am not his priority :doh:
 
LC, you mean as ONE large poster sized print vs. 1/4 sections? I am not sure how Clariks printer works, so depending on cost - it might not be fessible.

Clark - did you speak with your printer source on which format would be best for quality? I know most of those are Graphic based file formats, but I am not sure which would be the best for their set up.

John
 
Yes I talked to him he said that EPS v.3 Is the file he wants, and given what the quality is it can be as big as people want. You want it 200ft by 300ft no problem. But he can do it on paper, vinyl, or Canvas. It will look the best on vinyl however canvas can be stretched and mounted. Typical prices for vinyl are $3 a sq ft.... he should be able to do better just depends on how many want them. Paper would also be cheaper and mounted on board stock.

We will see how many chunks are needed to get the quality we want (ie with jeep trails visible) and we will merge them back together so it will come out as one large picture.
 
Do you want me to grab like 4 samples of the closest detail and send em over to your in EPS format?? that way we can run some tests and see how they come out on the vinyl. Perhaps bring a sample to the next club meeting to gauge interest?

I will start getting the shots together. Probably tomorrow. I was able to get a local copyu installed, so I can use it whenever rather than just in the office! WOO HOO!

John
 
Sounds good...let me know when I can grab them.
 
I would welcome any kind of info on back trails.
I am with Kevin (toolsrus) on the roads. I camp two ways. I can use the minimum that I can stuff into the 80 in a rough area. Or as at Fossil Creek, I can haul the max comfort that I can get into the trailer.
Camping rough and light is easiest on the terrain. Any place where I can bring the trailer and the whole gypsy hacienda is a place where every moron can go with Mom's car, (such as Fossil Creek).
It is nice to camp in a group with a shade pavilion and a full kitchen and commode. But the places where we can do that are polluted by those who have no respect.
If the FS would maintain fewer roads into the forest areas, those areas would be better preserved for our kids.
When a guy has to invest money in a truck to reach a special place, he tends to respect the place more. When a place is opened to every Dodge Neon or Honda Civic, it tends to get trashed.
It is a nice idea to make public lands available to all of the public. Does that mean that we have to let the idiots trash the most beautiful places?
We as taxpayers spend a lot of money to maintain roads leading into remote areas. Is this really wise? Maybe we should stop maintaining all but a few of the roads. Those who want to reach the best places should show the ability to afford a vehicle that can handle an unmaintained road. If we want to make the trip, we should be able to support the truck that can take us there. We should also show the willingness to help to maintain those roads for others. Public lands are not parks.
Like home ownership, access to public lands is a part of the American dream. We forget that the American Dream is a reward for hard work, not an entitlement. We do not get to own homes just because we are born breathing American air. We have to earn them. Access to public land should be similar. Earn the ability to get there, or don't go there. We who work hard should not pay to allow access to those who trash our public lands.
 
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