An ethical dilemma? (2 Viewers)

[CJF]

Perhaps if we had people here on mud who where involved heavy with Pirate, maybe they would reach out?



hint hint, wink wink

Uh, no.

I promise you'll get more than the slap on the wrist I got if you start something like that.

 

[re_guderian]

I don't know "legally" if "serviced" has an actionable definition, "but to my mind", ...

yeah, me too, but that's not what really matters when you seek redress, unfortunately...

 

[Trapper50cal]

yeah, me too, but that's not what really matters when you seek redress, unfortunately...

That's why lawyers make the big bucks...to go in front of a judge and argue the actionable definition of words and the liability that someone commits to by using them.

That, and I suppose, come up with the legally agreed upon wording for statutes, although that is obviously also the job of legislators.

 

[Jman]

Sometimes, this bulletin board is a window into the human soul.

--a satisfied customer of Jim C.

 

[nat]

Sometimes, this bulletin board is a window into the human soul.

--a satisfied customer of Jim C.

Try calamari again for a more complete look.

 

[Cruisin'Carolina]

I'm more interested in learning more about the Appraisal that was done. Doesn't that aspect of this whole deal raise any other eyebrows?

 

[Trapper50cal]

I'm more interested in learning more about the Appraisal that was done. Doesn't that aspect of this whole deal raise any other eyebrows?

Of course...pursuant to the details, the first things that come to mind are...

Glaring and monumental conflict of interest.

&

knowingly fraudulent, malicious intent.

 

[Pierps]

The allegations as I understand them, are:

1) Intentional misrepresentation of the work done to the vehicle and the vehicle's condition, potentially as a merchant seller (fraud?)

2) Covering up those misrepresentations by conducting the appraisal with his own separate appraisal company, and not disclosing the conflict of interest to the buyer or his insurance company (fraud?)

3) Blackmail, given the nature if his threats to Jim: take the thread down, or I'll expose misdeeds about you and the current owner, which I specifically hired a PI to uncover (this one was really stupid- it's documented in an email for god sake).

4) Simply mistreating his customer by making no attempt to resolve the issues peacefully, and instead threatening to ruin the customer's career, and damage Jim's business for holding him accountable.

All of these are serious accusations, and Brett has provided no evidence of his innocence, nor any willingness to make things right. All he's posted are the pictures of a rig that is very pretty on the outside, which only corroborates the story. Who would've paid $30k for a rig that looked like crap? The pictures do nothing to address the accusations that he claimed to make mechanical repairs he did not make.

Ultimately there are no winners. The current owner might've been bilked out of a lot of cash, Brett has taken a major hit to his credibility, and if the allegations are true and charges are filed, Brett could see himself back in jail with a second felony strike on his record...

Pretty tragic all around... And again, if true, all of this could've been completely avoided if Brett had integrity and took personal responsibility.

 

[Trapper50cal]

The allegations as I understand them, are:

1) Intentional misrepresentation of the work done to the vehicle and the vehicle's condition, potentially as a merchant seller (fraud?)

2) Covering up those misrepresentations by conducting the appraisal with his own separate appraisal company, and not disclosing the conflict of interest to the buyer or his insurance company (fraud?)

3) Blackmail, given the nature if his threats to Jim: take the thread down, or I'll expose misdeeds about you and the current owner, which I specifically hired a PI to uncover (this one was really stupid- it's documented in an email for god sake).

4) Simply mistreating his customer by making no attempt to resolve the issues peacefully, and instead threatening to ruin the customer's career, and damage Jim's business for holding him accountable.

All of these are serious accusations, and Brett has provided no evidence of his innocence, nor any willingness to make things right. All he's posted are the pictures of a rig that is very pretty on the outside, which only corroborates the story. Who would've paid $30k for a rig that looked like crap? The pictures do nothing to address the accusations that he claimed to make mechanical repairs he did not make.

Ultimately there are no winners. The current owner might've been bilked out of a lot of cash, Brett has taken a major hit to his credibility, and if the allegations are true and charges are filed, Brett could see himself back in jail with a second felony strike on his record...

Pretty tragic all around... And again, if true, all of this could've been completely avoided if Brett had integrity and took personal responsibility.

Here Here....succinctly put.

 

[Shahram]

Ultimately there are no winners. The current owner might've been bilked out of a lot of cash, Brett has taken a major hit to his credibility, and if the allegations are true and charges are filed, Brett could see himself back in jail with a second felony strike on his record...

I don't think he learned the first time. The judge went too easy on him. I wonder how a judge would view Brett's second, brazen and unashamed return to the fraud trough?

 

[Gumby]

I don't know "legally" if "serviced" has an actionable definition, but to my mind, it means "actually, physically brought back to normal, operational standards, working in a manner consistent with the intended factory specifications and within tolerances that allow for it to continue working properly without undue risk of foreseeable failure."

and "restored" to mean "returned to a condition consistent with the condition when new"

What's in your mind doesn't mean s***.

in context with your post, of course.

restored, serviced, rebuilt and even blueprinted are all very subjective and don't mean much at all without detailed explanation of what was done.

 

[Gumby]

Funny that you mention that.
When i bought my 80, the PO made it very clear that the "front axle has been 'serviced' recently"
When i got home with the vehicle and was going through receipts i asked where was the receipt for the new gaskets, possibly new bearings, etc. He said that all he did was change the oil in the front diff.

Of course. That's what servicing the front axle means in almost every context. Pre-98 Land Cruisers are different and fairly unique. I would never assume servicing an axle meant rebuilding the knuckles anymore than I would assume it meant resetting the pinion depth. If I was buying a Land Cruiser I would ask specifically if the knuckles had been serviced and exactly what that meant (bearings, seals or just grease) or I would assume it hadn't had any of that done.

 

[Pierps]

ha ha Gumby, your profile icon/gif fits your replies perfectly! lol

 

[Spike Strip]

IKID-IKID

But I've been waiting so very long to find the right time to use this picture...

 

[re_guderian]

...restored, serviced, rebuilt and even blueprinted are all very subjective and don't mean much at all without detailed explanation of what was done.

which is why Brett Young will likely skate on this one.

 

[Pighead]

--a satisfied customer of Jim C.

x2 of thousands, I'd assume.
Just imagine the LandCruiser caravans to the Courthouse on the day Jim C. takes the stand...the line of character witnesses would stretch around the block.

 

[Spike Strip]

All we need is some Marx, Pareto, Rawls, and Weber to bring this around to a good conclusion.

This should kill it.

 

[FJ40Jim]

Another threatening letter arrived from Brett Young today.

But the toothpaste cannot be put back in the tube.

 

[re_guderian]

geez, if he spent as much time actually wrenching as threatening, he'd be much better off...

 

[custyota]

What does letter say? Summary?