Am I overpaying? 2014 LX570 1 owner

[Cardboard]

Ya that’s a good deal in this market. Seems at leak $5-7k under where it would be now if not more from a dealer.

Our plans have changed. We are going to sale our new-to-us LX. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it so it is tough. We got a good one, but I just can't justify keeping such an expensive SUV when there is no need for it. I am too scared to sell it to a private party. So I am stuck doing a trade-in. I sent out the specs (car is up to 68k miles now) - Carvana was by far the highest offer. Just a few hundred more than we purchased it for in May. We will see what happens when they actually see the vehicle.

I am fully aware they will list it for $50k right off the bat.

 

[PDoyle]

Ok why are you too scared to sell it to a private party?

 

[Cardboard]

Ok why are you too scared to sell it to a private party?

I have done private sale before. It is a huge hassle. But the form of payment makes me nervous. A Cashier's Check can be easily faked.

 

[grinchy]

I have done private sale before. It is a huge hassle. But the form of payment makes me nervous. A Cashier's Check can be easily faked.

Just use an escrow

 

[highfructose]

Our plans have changed. We are going to sale our new-to-us LX. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it so it is tough. We got a good one, but I just can't justify keeping such an expensive SUV when there is no need for it. I am too scared to sell it to a private party. So I am stuck doing a trade-in. I sent out the specs (car is up to 68k miles now) - Carvana was by far the highest offer. Just a few hundred more than we purchased it for in May. We will see what happens when they actually see the vehicle.

I am fully aware they will list it for $50k right off the bat.

Keep in mind, the reason the Lexus is so expensive is because you WONT be making costly repairs.

Buy a used Range Rover for less than half the price…but understand that the 15-20 you’ll save will likely come back in the form of repair bills…plus times you were stranded with a broke down vehicle.

That’s basically the reason Toyota’s and lexuses are expensive: you don’t get stranded often and you’re not likely to have exorbitant repair costs…but nothing comes for free so you pay for that on the front end of the vehicle.

That said, I think 200’s are, in addition to the generally inflated used car market, extra inflated. Between the death of the v8 and the “overlanding” market, the price is too high for what you get…you can get a 2008 tundra, armor it, and triple lock it for quite a bit less than you can any 200.

 

[Madtiger]

Keep in mind, the reason the Lexus is so expensive is because you WONT be making costly repairs.
That’s basically the reason Toyota’s and lexuses are expensive: you don’t get stranded often and you’re not likely to have exorbitant repair costs…but nothing comes for free so you pay for that on the front end of the vehicle.

Hmmm…for your average luxury car customer, it does not appear that way:

I have a 2013 LX570. One of the hydraulic lines on the AHC system burst with just 86,500 miles on the odometer. The dealer says this was due to rust and corrosion. To replace the line I was told that the body must come off the frame. Additionally they can not say if other parts need to be replaced due to the corrosion. Because they can not pin down a price for the repair, they quoted me a maximum $36,545. This is the cost to replace the entire AHC system, if necessary.

Was directed here from a Lexus forum re '09 LX570. This past weekend, my AHC failed, the car was stuck in "Lo" and leaked it's insides all over the outside onto the driveway (I'm guessing this is the hydraulic fluid). I managed to creep it down to the Toyota dealer, which is literally at the end of my street. Lexus is about 12 miles away. Toyota was baffled so they called Lexus (we have two in the area, and they called the dealer I do not use) and received a $29,000 quote for repair. I knew this was going to be expensive based on everything I've read here over the years, and I fully accepted that when I bought the car, but $29k?!?

Lexus should have an official disclaimer for LX shoppers: Only own if you are commonly referred to as a ”Grease Monkey” or have ASE certification because owning one is like bending over backwards every time you see us…but we do have free coffee to warm your colon.

I have never seen a Land Rover bill requesting that much for ONE repair…one repair that costs more than the vehicle itself!!


Side note: at least Kcaps got the better deal…he got a quote $7k lower! Lexus dealers can’t even decide what the whole system costs.

 

[PDoyle]

That's it. You tell 'em how bad the LX is compared to the Landcruiser.
Your doing a great job. Keep up the good work and don't stop.

 

[Madtiger]

That's it. You tell 'em how bad the LX is compared to the Landcruiser.
Your doing a great job. Keep up the good work and don't stop.

So you’re saying that those quotes above are not true? That i made up those quotes?

You’re saying that Land Rover has quoted someone $36k on ONE repair?

I am NOT saying that LX is worst than anything. What I am saying is that AHC is a PIA to get repaired IF you do not wrench on your own. Outside of warranty, dealers charge astronomical prices to repair something that may be as simple as a rusted line. 3rd party repair shops won’t even touch the system…and those that do may make things worst.

Range Rover’s air suspension may need repair more often than AHC……but they CAN be repaired fairly easily by ANY dealer and at much more reasonable prices than what Lexus dealers are quoting! And there are 3rd party repair shops that can easily do it too at cheaper prices….unlike AHC.

You disagree?

 

[PDoyle]

What I'm saying is, I've been on the 200/LX forum for about a year now and see how YOU always have something negative to add when there is a problem thread with the LX suspension system.
The LX suspension system is the only real difference between the 200 series and the Lexus LX and has been for many years. You should stop doing it, your posts don't help anybody.

 

[Madtiger]

What I'm saying is, I've been on the 200/LX forum for about a year now and see how YOU always have something negative to add when there is a problem thread with the LX suspension system.
The LX suspension system is the only real difference between the 200 series and the Lexus LX and has been for many years. You should stop doing it, your posts don't help anybody.

I am like anti-TeCKis300. Between his giddily exuberant BS on AHC and my AHC criticism, this forum is like Fox News…fair and balance.

 

[highfructose]

I suppose for a $36,000 repair to ahc, it would make more sense to just put an aftermarket suspension on it….if the cost is $10,000 or less, though, I’d rather keep the AHC and rebuild it. It’s a very impressive system. Super comfortable and a lift/lowering kit on demand.

As it relates to land rovers…the main difference is the transmission and engine. Sure the air suspension is a constantly maintained thing…but the Land Rover transmission has its own Wikipedia entry for its poor design (lr3’s, lr4’s, l322’s etc). And the engines aren’t that much better.

And the down side to the rovers is even if you replace the engine ($11,000 just for a long block) and transmission (which requires pulling the body off the frame), you’ve still got an engine and transmission that was poorly designed…I like rovers and looked at them quite closely before deciding on a 200.

With a 200 or Toyota product in general, you’re not likely to have engine, transmission, or suspension issues…and if you do…you know you’re replacing it with a part/system designed for 250,000 miles…not one that was poorly designed to begin with (as with the rover).

To reiterate: this is why used land rovers are always so cheap and used Toyota 4x4’s are always so expensive: you’re paying for repairs up front with the Toyota (which are likely never to occur)…and you’re paying for repairs as you go (and get stranded) with a rover.

 

[Mtntopper]

I suppose for a $36,000 repair to ahc, it would make more sense to just put an aftermarket suspension on it….if the cost is $10,000 or less, though, I’d rather keep the AHC and rebuild it. It’s a very impressive system. Super comfortable and a lift/lowering kit on demand.

As it relates to land rovers…the main difference is the transmission and engine. Sure the air suspension is a constantly maintained thing…but the Land Rover transmission has its own Wikipedia entry for its poor design (lr3’s, lr4’s, l322’s etc). And the engines aren’t that much better.

And the down side to the rovers is even if you replace the engine ($11,000 just for a long block) and transmission (which requires pulling the body off the frame), you’ve still got an engine and transmission that was poorly designed…I like rovers and looked at them quite closely before deciding on a 200.

With a 200 or Toyota product in general, you’re not likely to have engine, transmission, or suspension issues…and if you do…you know you’re replacing it with a part/system designed for 250,000 miles…not one that was poorly designed to begin with (as with the rover).

To reiterate: this is why used land rovers are always so cheap and used Toyota 4x4’s are always so expensive: you’re paying for repairs up front with the Toyota (which are likely never to occur)…and you’re paying for repairs as you go (and get stranded) with a rover.

With the price of new Rovers, you would hope they'd just throw in a Chevy tow truck with the deal too.

 

[2014 LEX 570 GA]

Paid $40k pretax for a 2014 LX with 110k, fully loaded, light exterior color, dark interior color. Two owners. Service records. Very clean vehicle inside and out.

Felt like a fair deal in this market, not sure where it would have traded pre-COViD.

 

[radman]

Felt like a fair deal in this market, not sure where it would have traded pre-COViD.

Pre covid, I paid $40k for a ‘15 with 55k miles. Single owner, but 2 fender benders (bumpers that are long gone now)

 

[Madtiger]

I suppose for a $36,000 repair to ahc, it would make more sense to just put an aftermarket suspension on it….if the cost is $10,000 or less, though, I’d rather keep the AHC and rebuild it. It’s a very impressive system. Super comfortable and a lift/lowering kit on demand.

As it relates to land rovers…the main difference is the transmission and engine. Sure the air suspension is a constantly maintained thing…but the Land Rover transmission has its own Wikipedia entry for its poor design (lr3’s, lr4’s, l322’s etc). And the engines aren’t that much better.

And the down side to the rovers is even if you replace the engine ($11,000 just for a long block) and transmission (which requires pulling the body off the frame), you’ve still got an engine and transmission that was poorly designed…I like rovers and looked at them quite closely before deciding on a 200.

With a 200 or Toyota product in general, you’re not likely to have engine, transmission, or suspension issues…and if you do…you know you’re replacing it with a part/system designed for 250,000 miles…not one that was poorly designed to begin with (as with the rover).

To reiterate: this is why used land rovers are always so cheap and used Toyota 4x4’s are always so expensive: you’re paying for repairs up front with the Toyota (which are likely never to occur)…and you’re paying for repairs as you go (and get stranded) with a rover.

My neighbor just got the new LR Defender in that iconic color (Gondwana Stone) 4 months ago. It’s pretty for sure. But then all of a sudden for one whole week, he was driving a LR loaner.…..oh well, it sure is pretty tho.

 

[Sverige]

Buy a used Range Rover for less than half the price…but understand that the 15-20 you’ll save will likely come back in the form of repair bills…plus times you were stranded with a broke down vehicle.

This is too funny. My last “new to me” Range Rover cost me nearly that in the first year of ownership. It was a 2008 Range Rover Sport TDV8 - it broke down every month. Went into limp mode and left my wife stranded on the side of the road. I was working in Iraq and would get these lovely voicemails every time it happened. The final straw was one of the twin turbos blew. It was a body-off-chassis job. The first shop quoted me $12,900 to replace. Finally found a place to do it for $9,500. Sold it the next time I came home from work. Pretty, comfortable, fun when it worked, but ultimately junk.

 

[04UZJ100]

This is too funny. My last “new to me” Range Rover cost me nearly that in the first year of ownership. It was a 2008 Range Rover Sport TDV8 - it broke down every month. Went into limp mode and left my wife stranded on the side of the road. I was working in Iraq and would get these lovely voicemails every time it happened. The final straw was one of the twin turbos blew. It was a body-off-chassis job. The first shop quoted me $12,900 to replace. Finally found a place to do it for $9,500. Sold it the next time I came home from work. Pretty, comfortable, fun when it worked, but ultimately junk.

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What brought you to Iraq?

 

[MoJ]

Definitely looks like a buying opportunity

 

[barcelona4x4]

I sold my '06 GX for 18k and used that to buy a '14 LX w/110k for 38k. No accidents, dealer maintained and 2 owner southern vehicle. Had to get it shipped from LA to GA. Previously had a deal and funded $31k for a '09 in costa azul 1 owner but the ahc stopped working. Dealer couldn't fix it so i cancelled it. $7k more between the 09 to 14 for updated BT audio, black interior, hid lights, 33" tires, and minor ext updates for the LX570 seems fair.

 

[stonepa]

Keep in mind, the reason the Lexus is so expensive is because you WONT be making costly repairs.

Buy a used Range Rover for less than half the price…but understand that the 15-20 you’ll save will likely come back in the form of repair bills…plus times you were stranded with a broke down vehicle.

That’s basically the reason Toyota’s and lexuses are expensive: you don’t get stranded often and you’re not likely to have exorbitant repair costs…but nothing comes for free so you pay for that on the front end of the vehicle.

That said, I think 200’s are, in addition to the generally inflated used car market, extra inflated. Between the death of the v8 and the “overlanding” market, the price is too high for what you get…you can get a 2008 tundra, armor it, and triple lock it for quite a bit less than you can any 200.

Yep - and then you end up with a leaf sprung Tundra. Great truck but not an LC - not as quiet or comfortable. But whatever works…