AHC Pump Fun - Disassembly and Clean - Verbose Edition

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Stumbled on this thread that is a few years old. It has pictures of the filters removed from the pump housing. Sounds like the OP destroyed the filter trying to remove. So i guess if you don't have replacements, i wouldn't try removing.


Yep, Zel and I have quite the DM history! There's a huge AHC thread on a Russian forum with a lot of diy repairs to various parts of the system.

The 100 series pump head can be ordered separately and it comes with the filters, so that might be a route to go in repairing a 200 series pump head instead of a full assembly swap.
 
As kind of an update here, I am working with a local dealer in assessing if the AHC fluid was to blame. Two of my bottles have a haze or a cloudiness when I put it into glass to check. The sludge found on the filter screens aligns with what I'm seeing in the glass.

Truck is back to 100%, but I did order a new pump from magengines. Don't recommend ordering from them, but that's anther story hah.
 
As kind of an update here, I am working with a local dealer in assessing if the AHC fluid was to blame. Two of my bottles have a haze or a cloudiness when I put it into glass to check. The sludge found on the filter screens aligns with what I'm seeing in the glass.

Truck is back to 100%, but I did order a new pump from magengines. Don't recommend ordering from them, but that's anther story hah.
I assume this is 2 out of some greater number of bottles? Any pictures of a hazy fluid vs clear fluid?
 
Here's what 2/5 of my bottles looked like, and what I've been discussing with a local dealer. If I had more time I would've purchased a 100 series pump head and swapped the filters, but life has been a bit crazy with a babe on the way and buying a second home. Wanted a quick swap, but I do think a lot has been learned about the whole system and how robust/easy to work on it is.

There has been a lengthy chat with some guys here held in private as well and want to shoutout @TeCKis300 @grinchy @tincan45 @Zel for being awesome.

On to the photos of the separate bottles in some blank glass I had:

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Added the thread to my signature, fun to see me infamously mentioned across the boards. 🍻
 
Here's what 2/5 of my bottles looked like, and what I've been discussing with a local dealer. If I had more time I would've purchased a 100 series pump head and swapped the filters, but life has been a bit crazy with a babe on the way and buying a second home. Wanted a quick swap, but I do think a lot has been learned about the whole system and how robust/easy to work on it is.

There has been a lengthy chat with some guys here held in private as well and want to shoutout @TeCKis300 @grinchy @tincan45 @Zel for being awesome.

On to the photos of the separate bottles in some blank glass I had:

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That fluid sure looks suspect!%# I hate if that's what caused you all this grief.

I can't say I've ever noticed anything but a clear crisp coloration to the AHC fluid I've used before. Definitely didn't notice any cloudy quality like you're showing. I wonder if fluid sales are still on hold from the other thread and this is related?

 
That fluid sure looks suspect!%# I hate if that's what caused you all this grief.

I can't say I've ever noticed anything but a clear crisp coloration to the AHC fluid I've used before. Definitely didn't notice any cloudy quality like you're showing. I wonder if fluid sales are still on hold from the other thread and this is related?


Yeah, like I said I got in contact with Longo in El Monte - no service advisories or bulletins for our region. I filtered fresh bottles through fine stainless mesh as a precaution. I'm going to chat with them and email corporate this upcoming week.
 
Yeah, like I said I got in contact with Longo in El Monte - no service advisories or bulletins for our region. I filtered fresh bottles through fine stainless mesh as a precaution. I'm going to chat with them and email corporate this upcoming week.
Happen to get a shot of the filter after running the fluid through? Any thoughts on what the haze was? Was there anything left behind in the filter?
 
Happen to get a shot of the filter after running the fluid through? Any thoughts on what the haze was? Was there anything left behind in the filter?

The filter had a bit of a clear-ish grit that is slightly gummy - although it could be the fluid itself giving that quality. I believe it kinda shows on the videos I took initially of cleaning the filters.

If I were to compare it to something - I'd say plasticizer if anyone has worked with sub-par tubing.

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Random thought - didn't AHC fluid use to come in metal and not plastic? Or was that only for the larger containers?
 
Here's fluid history from a threat in the 100 forum-

 
I recently bought some fluid to do a flush but am now too scared to use it, so here’s what it looks like:

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Doesn't appear to be hazy like what @chalice posted above. This fluid was bought from Toyota dealer in NC in June, 2021. Date on attached label says 09/18/2020, but I'm not sure if that's when it was shipped to dealer, or closer to when it was manufactured at Idemitsu Kosan in Japan.

I just read all the AHC threads from the last 6 months. I could obviously be wrong, but it seems there is some combination of 4 things at play here (somewhat stating the obvious):
1) possible bad batch of fluid clogging filter
2) contaminants introduced or loosened during flush procedure clogging filter
3) DIY user error
4) dealer error

It's hard for me to chalk this up to just 3) and 4), with how many flushes have been done from 2008 to now, and the recent increases in cases.
 
I’d use that. Proceed!
Maybe leave a little in the reservoir when extracting from there? And make sure to keep a healthy amount in the reservoir during each bleed. Even if you have to extract some at end of process from reservoir better more than not enough.
 
I wonder how many people have flushed their system with no problem.
I flushed mine a couple months ago, and everything went great. No issues.
 
I pushed 3 liters through mine in January and then another Liter more recently bleeding with no issues. For historical purposes, i did remove the fine filter from the fill tube but I did not siphon any fluid from the reservoir.
 
I recently bought some fluid to do a flush but am now too scared to use it, so here’s what it looks like:

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Doesn't appear to be hazy like what @chalice posted above. This fluid was bought from Toyota dealer in NC in June, 2021. Date on attached label says 09/18/2020, but I'm not sure if that's when it was shipped to dealer, or closer to when it was manufactured at Idemitsu Kosan in Japan.

I just read all the AHC threads from the last 6 months. I could obviously be wrong, but it seems there is some combination of 4 things at play here (somewhat stating the obvious):
1) possible bad batch of fluid clogging filter
2) contaminants introduced or loosened during flush procedure clogging filter
3) DIY user error
4) dealer error

It's hard for me to chalk this up to just 3) and 4), with how many flushes have been done from 2008 to now, and the recent increases in cases.

As mentioned above, that fluid looks great!
 
Story Time:

2013 LX570 111,000mi - California truck with no rust.

I posted in the SQOD thread that on a flush from Normal height there was a suction on the reservoir and that breaking the suction kept things running well when repressurizing the system. The pump took a very long time to regain pressure and it took 3-4 times of breaking suction. If I didn't break the suction the pump started to sound louder and louder as if it were cavitating. In familiarizing myself with the vent on the cap it seems like it only allows air out to avoid positive pressure when lowering, but doesn't allow air in.

After the flush and the system came back up to pressure with the system at Normal height, I cycled through to High and then back to Normal and everything worked as intended. I put easy access back on as usual and cleaned up shop.

Fast forward to the drive home from the shop at my parent's place - start the LX up and the pump is making a high pitched whine and doesn't come out of Low. I drive home and let the truck sit for a few days. Today I take the truck back and go through the following steps thanks to a few posts @TeCKis300 has made in various AHC threads.

  • Added an extra .5 liter of fluid
  • Bled 5th accumulator [not much pressure at all or fluid]
  • Cracked Rear No 6 Height Control Tube
    • Let fluid run out while truck was off to ensure prime

Started the truck back up and the same pump whine was persistent with .16mpa pressure showing from techstream. I noticed it was very slowly building pressure though, three cycles of clearing codes and it was up to 2.89mpa. I primed the pump once more by disconnecting the No 6 tube completely and running the pump, a good amount of fluid emptied into a catch can. Fired the truck up again and it wasn't getting above the 2.89mpa. So I did what @llaga did and used a small hand pump to pressurize the reservoir while it was running and immediately the pump started to pressurize the system and work as it always had been.

Truck rose to Normal and the pump stopped. Pressure was reading ~8.75mpa and I tried to go to High mode. No bueno. Tried to lower to Low and it proceeds as it should. Restart the truck and try to bring it back up to Normal and no luck, even with applying a little positive pressure. I noticed the pump was making a ticking noise and was a bit unstable in it's rpm.

Here's a video [caution it might be loud]:


My next step is to drop the pump and inspect the reservoir. I feel like there might be something on the inlet side of the pump whether it's air or debris. At the same time I'm going to order another pump & res assembly, as it might be on it's way out after all this. The truck isn't on the bump stops, but should I try bleeding again?

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Unfortunately I'm what, the 4th report in a month with similar issues? Is there something similar between all of us? I love the AHC system, have flushed it and replaced the front struts without any issues. Hope this help adds more data and maybe some of the knowledgeable AHC dudes can chime in if there is something I haven't tried yet.



//Root Cause

To update the thread, it seems like debris in fresh fluid was the cause. See photos on pg. 3

//Retrospect

Filter fresh fluid.
Bleed one corner at a time.
If you are going to clean out your AHC pump filters, make sure you notate how the gears are clocked and put them back in exactly the same.
Before reassembly, fill pump head with fluid as much as possible.

Our comrades in Russia run fluid that looks like cigarettes are put out in it and repair AHC lines by hand - this system can take abuse. There also might be one more mystery at play here with these failures.

//AHC Detail


My pump is leaking from a hole in the pump housing almost directly below the pressure / return line. I think the hole is part of the pump, but guessing the rubbers, or seals are compromised, which is why it is leaking there. Can you help or add any info. Anybody replaced, seals, or made new ones? Rebuild kit, or just replace pump?

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My pump is leaking from a hole in the pump housing almost directly below the pressure / return line. I think the hole is part of the pump, but guessing the rubbers, or seals are compromised, which is why it is leaking there. Can you help or add any info. Anybody replaced, seals, or made new ones? Rebuild kit, or just replace pump?

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I called local Lexus dealer here in Canada today. $4000 plus plus tax. for the AHC Height Control pump and reservoir. lol
 

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