ABS Delete 50mph-0mph test before and after (with video)

[gcorduan]

I would have to agree that my original post was simply a way to share my particular results. I don't think it can be looked at as hard data. There are way to many pieces that would need to be in prime working condition to really compare my original ABS set up to my deleted ABS set up. My 80 has 240k miles on the clock. The calipers are in good working order with good pads and the ABS seemed to be functioning pretty well, but they are not brand new by any means.

I think any of us driving these big heavy land cruisers has to be ultra aware of whats happening around them on the road. I originally went down this road because I was shocked when I actually saw how long it takes to come to a halt in a sudden stop situation. It stops much better now. I'm sure I opened myself up to some possible lock up if I have to panic stop on a wet or gravel road. But I'm also confident I can work the pedal and provide my own ABS with my foot.

I have actually enjoyed reading all the different approaches and opinions on the ABS delete (or don't delete) topic. I still think it would be great to hear some 50-0mph results from someone with a similar vehicle and a well maintained system. I understand that that would only be one aspect of braking. Wet roads or gravel are no doubt going to take some more braking skill without ABS.

 

[Rivman1243]

I actually don't like how the abs feels on dirt/gravel. I wish the abs on the land Cruiser was like my 95 F350. Rear abs only

 

[Hornd]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Slow down, don't tailgate, and pay attention are 10X more important than any system your truck posses.

The NHTSA doesn't just mandate something because they think it's cool:
Antilock Brake Systems (ABS)

 

[gcorduan]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Slow down, don't tailgate, and pay attention are 10X more important than any system your truck posses.

The NHTSA doesn't just mandate something because they think it's cool:
Antilock Brake Systems (ABS)

I completely agree with the ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure is 10X more important. I have been daily driving my LC for four years. It's an easy ten minute commute. Thankfully, I have only had one instance I would consider a close call. In that situation I probably could have been a fraction of a second better aware of what was happening in front of me and maybe it wouldn't have been as close a call.

I think any time a stock vehicle is taken out of it's factory configuration our responsibility (and liability) as drivers is increased. A lifted suspension that puts large well constructed bumpers at normal cars head height, along with massive tires (compared to stock) that add weight and no matter how you run your brakes have an affect on stopping power are clearly changes that up our driving responsibilities and liabilities. The best way to decrease liability is like you said, slow down and don't tailgate. Keeping a safe distance around your vehicle at all times is the best approach.

 

[SmokingRocks]

Well unfortunately I had to test my brakes last night, fortunately I came out of it ok.

I had plenty of space on a three lane city road going 45mph. car in front of me (about 2 bus lengths) slammed on their brakes for seemingly no reason whatsoever (Like we were quite literally the only two cars on the road). Worst thing is their brake lights didn't work so I didn't initially catch their panic stop. I had to slam on my brakes which to my surprise initially locked up my front 35" toyo open country MT's (they weigh 85 lb each).

Very quickly I was able to modulate the brake to allow the tires to spin just enough.

I will say that my working and quite loud horn may have been the game changer in this situation. They were alerted to my heavy tiger tank bearing down on them and gunned it.

So don't just stop with the brakes, make sure your horns and lights are all functioning too.

 

[alia176]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Slow down, don't tailgate, and pay attention are 10X more important than any system your truck posses.

The NHTSA doesn't just mandate something because they think it's cool:
Antilock Brake Systems (ABS)

I guess the argument here would be that the NHTSA is mandating ABS for all around safety for all stock vehicles. However, this crowd is doing everything it can to make their rigs totally unsafe so deleting the ABS pretty much falls in line with that philosophy. At this juncture, common sense is going to dictate whether or not we plow into another vehicle and decimate its contents.

 

[alia176]

Well unfortunately I had to test my brakes last night, fortunately I came out of it ok.

I had plenty of space on a three lane city road going 45mph. car in front of me (about 2 bus lengths) slammed on their brakes for seemingly no reason whatsoever (Like we were quite literally the only two cars on the road). Worst thing is their brake lights didn't work so I didn't initially catch their panic stop. I had to slam on my brakes which to my surprise initially locked up my front 35" toyo open country MT's (they weigh 85 lb each).

Very quickly I was able to modulate the brake to allow the tires to spin just enough.

I will say that my working and quite loud horn may have been the game changer in this situation. They were alerted to my heavy tiger tank bearing down on them and gunned it.

So don't just stop with the brakes, make sure your horns and lights are all functioning too.

I'd be SO pissed off at that driver and would have probably stepped out, walked over and bitch slapped them on principle. WTF do people do that?

 

[1973Guppie]

Well unfortunately I had to test my brakes last night, fortunately I came out of it ok.

I had plenty of space on a three lane city road going 45mph. car in front of me (about 2 bus lengths) slammed on their brakes for seemingly no reason whatsoever (Like we were quite literally the only two cars on the road). Worst thing is their brake lights didn't work so I didn't initially catch their panic stop. I had to slam on my brakes which to my surprise initially locked up my front 35" toyo open country MT's (they weigh 85 lb each).

Very quickly I was able to modulate the brake to allow the tires to spin just enough.

I will say that my working and quite loud horn may have been the game changer in this situation. They were alerted to my heavy tiger tank bearing down on them and gunned it.

So don't just stop with the brakes, make sure your horns and lights are all functioning too.

I am not swaying opinion one way or the other, I can see where deleting the abs is beneficial, BUT, your above story really illustrates why it is a nice feature to have. The fact that your tires broke free into a skid could of ended up much worse. Was the road icy or wet?

 

[SmokingRocks]

No it was dry, and I've deleted the LSPV so I'm curious as to why my rears didnt lock up.

I wasnt skidding on locked tires for more than 5 feet. They locked up due to the initial impulse input.

 

[1973Guppie]

No it was dry, and I've deleted the LSPV so I'm curious as to why my rears didnt lock up.

I wasnt skidding on locked tires for more than 5 feet. They locked up due to the initial impulse input.

right, but my point is on wet, muddy or icy road the end result of that lock up could of been very different. Just a thought.

 

[dogfishlake]

Keep the feedback coming on how the delete performs. I like the idea.

 

[Cruzerman]

The statistic of ABS making vehicles safer just don't pan out. I'm old, tend to drive older vehicles that don't have ABS, and have never been in an accident in my life. If I can make the rig stop in a significantly shorter distance by deleting the ABS, then IMHO, the rig is much safer. F' ABS.