Build 97 on 40s Expo Build

[ExpoMax]

You're a wild man! When's it go to Utah?

I'm driving out the 9th . I haven't actually seen anyone else chop up as high as I am. Figured if I'm chopping part way up, why not go all the way to under the taillight. Your going to be able to see nearly all the 40" tire from the rear now. Now the front and rear lines match a bit better too.

 

[mudgudgeon]

Here's an idea for you. I made a rear bumper with a swing out. I set it up with the spindle canted outwards at the top by about 8°
When the swing out is opened, it swings outward by itself and stays open due to the canted spindle. When opened 180° the tire mount I a few inches lower to the ground. 2 x 8° lower.
This could possibly be used to help load a tire onto the swing out. Increasing the angle would increase how much lower the swing out is.

One disadvantage of this set up is you have to partly push the weight of the wheel upward when closing the swing out. Increasing the angle would increase the effort to close the swing out.

Any kind of swing out rear bar is going to negate mostof the quarter panel cut out you are doing.

 

[ExpoMax]

You're a wild man! When's it go to Utah?

Is it bad I just get these impulses that I have to cut sheet metal?

Here's an idea for you. I made a rear bumper with a swing out. I set it up with the spindle canted outwards at the top by about 8°
When the swing out is opened, it swings outward by itself and stays open due to the canted spindle. When opened 180° the tire mount I a few inches lower to the ground. 2 x 8° lower.
This could possibly be used to help load a tire onto the swing out. Increasing the angle would increase how much lower the swing out is.

One disadvantage of this set up is you have to partly push the weight of the wheel upward when closing the swing out. Increasing the angle would increase the effort to close the swing out.

Any kind of swing out rear bar is going to negate mostof the quarter panel cut out you are doing.

Yeah that is a good idea, thanks. I'm thinking about having the spindles in front of the brake lights. It is of course still in design, but I intend to have the highest clearance swing out I can. And if I can't make that into a deign I like, they will go directly under the lights. Either way not for nothing

 

[mudgudgeon]

Is it bad I just get these impulses that I have to cut sheet metal?

it's an affliction that tempts lots of us, it's an itch that can only be scratched with a 5"grinder or sawzall!

 

[JeepinPete]

I can't say I have ever understood the love of using spindles for a spare tire mount. Heavy weight (tire) on a long lever arm (swing) held in place by a single shear mount (spindle). On a smaller tire people obviously get away with it. Rather than using a spindle, why not make up brackets to use a 3/4 bolt in double shear as your pivot?

 

[ExpoMax]

Getting there

 

[NateMob]

I think something like i had on my Tacoma would be sick with this cut like that. Those bars saved the bed on numerous occasions.

 

[ExpoMax]

I think something like i had on my Tacoma would be sick with this cut like that. Those bars saved the bed on numerous occasions.


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That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking!

I found this jeep design I really like. He also cut to the bottom of the taillights.

 

[ExpoMax]

I added some light.

 

[mudgudgeon]

I can't say I have ever understood the love of using spindles for a spare tire mount. Heavy weight (tire) on a long lever arm (swing) held in place by a single shear mount (spindle). On a smaller tire people obviously get away with it. Rather than using a spindle, why not make up brackets to use a 3/4 bolt in double shear as your pivot?

Are your front and back wheels bolted on in double shear? Or on spindles?

 

[JeepinPete]

Take that spindle, add a two foot bar, then another two foot bar at a right angle, mount the tire and let it dangle in space while you bang your truck off rocks and whatnot. Loading of the spindle on your axle is quite different than loading on the spindle of the tire carrier.

As for the wheels, the studs do not see shear when the lugs are tightened properly. Torque is transferred by friction between the wheel and flange of the hub. When the lugs aren't tightened properly, wheels detach. There have been enough thread in this section alone illustrating that point.

 

[nukegoat]

It's weird that everyone talks about the rear quarter panels as if they're needing more clearance but, frankly, I don't tag that area all that often.

 

[mudgudgeon]

Take that spindle, add a two foot bar, then another two foot bar at a right angle, mount the tire and let it dangle in space while you bang your truck off rocks and whatnot. Loading of the spindle on your axle is quite different than loading on the spindle of the tire carrier.

I'd just about bet my monthly salary that torsional twist in the 2' + bar has more to do with the movement you're talking about than the spindle does.
I'm not at all convinced a 70-80-100ish lb tire on a 2' bar is going to put more load on a spindle than a 3t rig cornering at 60mph.
I think, all else being equal, a rear bar with pivot being a bolt in double sheer will move as much as a rear bar with a spindle due to torsional twist in the swingout.

YMMV

 

[mudgudgeon]

It's weird that everyone talks about the rear quarter panels as if they're needing more clearance but, frankly, I don't tag that area all that often.

I've tagged the quarters on my 80, and 105, but a lot higher up, near the waistline.
actually, does a landcruiser have a waistline, or love handles?

 

[bryson]

I've tagged the quarters on my 80, and 105, but a lot higher up, near the waistline.
actually, does a landcruiser have a waistline, or love handles?

I think they're more like side-butts.

 

[joez]

It's weird that everyone talks about the rear quarter panels as if they're needing more clearance but, frankly, I don't tag that area all that often.

Neither do I. It happens, but the 4x4labs bumper just slides off.

Now, at and above the belt line is another story. Both sides are caved in.

Looks good though, you definitely gain a lot of clearance.

 

[Geert]

Getting there

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Looks good! Side shot?

 

[Broski]

That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking!

I found this jeep design I really like. He also cut to the bottom of the taillights.
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I hoping Dosecc Fabrication can do a lot better with your tire carrier. You will need a latch for it to swing out not just welded to the Bumper. Also spindles bolt on the axle with a wide mounting surface, where a tire carrier spindle is welded to the Bumper without the wide mounting surface. Most Tire carrier spindles Fail right above the weld

 

[ExpoMax]

Looks good! Side shot?

Thanks, I'm pretty happy with how this side came out.

It's weird that everyone talks about the rear quarter panels as if they're needing more clearance but, frankly, I don't tag that area all that often.

I like the fact that astatically it matches the front better now. Also my quarters were pretty caved in at this point with no armor. Now I'm once again dent free, and with this new bumper build, I knew if I didn't chop them I would regret it. Kind of like not chopping my rocker panels. Now I have to rip my sliders off and chop them....so much more work now.

 

[ExpoMax]

Neither do I. It happens, but the 4x4labs bumper just slides off.

Now, at and above the belt line is another story. Both sides are caved in.

Looks good though, you definitely gain a lot of clearance.[/QUOTE/]

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Thank you, you gain about 12" on each side. Maybe I just take stupid lines, but I seem to tag them just as often as my frame rails