94 FZJ80

[jimmysally]

I have a 94 FZJ80 with 110,000. A list of items it has on it is: an OME lift(complete), new BFG AT/KO 285/75/R16, Fully Loaded(tow package, leather, roof rack, etc...), ARB front bumper, custom step sides/rock sliders, It has a complete front end rebuild(every bearing including differential) and every seal, it has a complete rear end wheel bearing and seal rebuild, new brakes including all 4 rotors, pads, spring kit, etc..., it has front and rear OEM lockers, new rear main(I hate leaks), new dash lights(some burned out), Alpine stereo. I believe this is everything, but anything else would be small.

Please help me out with a figure.

 

[ginericLC]

I'd say between 10-11. I might be high for some regions of the country or low for others. Mods don't help te value as much as one would hope, at least that has been my experience.

 

[cruiserdan]

Unfortunately it is tough to get your money back out of mods. Take me for example. I bought my 93 brand new and have been "investing" in it ever since. I have well north of 50K burried in it and NO HOPE of ever seeing 1/5 of that back. Your tires are likely not big enough to please the next "seroius" owner and in the same vein your lift will not be enough. I guess that what I am trying to say is that your labor of love is not worth anywhere near what you think it should be.

 

[MoJ]

I was thinking about the same as Eric stated above........$10k or so.
Give you $5k today?

 

[GXO]

I'll buy it for $9K today!

 

[jimmysally]

I agree with you some what on the mods, but I don't on the maintaince work, and the lockers. Here is an example, both 94's, mine and one that is completly stock. What you are trying to tell me is that they would sell for the same price. Bull s**t. There are plenty of people out there who are looking to modify there 80 series, so they would be willing to pay more for a vehicle already equiped and that already has the maintance work done. I have seen it before, 94 bought for 10,500 and so far $1000 dollars later and alot of my free labor we are starting to catch up on the maintance. So the question of what's it worth is way to vague for this forum, there are too many people who don't appreciate what the costs of the work and mods are. Sorry for the vague question and the rambling, but I answered my own question. It is worth what I think it is worth, and maybe there is someone out there who will also appreciate what has been done.

 

[MoJ]

[quote author=ClimbingCruiser link=board=2;threadid=16539;start=msg159091#msg159091 date=1084888127]
there are too many people who don't appreciate what the costs of the work and mods are.
[/quote]

I think that's exactly why everyone is saying you don't get back what you put into it. Cars aren't investments that provide a monetary return. If you buy the right one they're investments that provide a return in terms of happiness.

 

[Doc]

Wow, don't take criticism well?

I just bought my 93 FZJ80 three weeks ago. The plain fact of the matter is the buyer is very sceptical going into any deal. You say you had all this maintenance done, great. Do you still have the recipts to prove it? If not, I wouldn't believe you. Nor will the next buyer. If you do, make sure you advertise that fact.

Lockers? OK great. Mine has lockers too. Paid less than 8K for it. Also has the full tow, leather, sun roof, roof rack, etc...

Frankly, I'd be inclined to pay LESS for a lifted truck with off road bumpers because it is more likely to have seen rough miles than a bone stock cruiser. Sorry, but that's the way my buyers mind thinks.

Yes, you are right- there is probobly someone out there willing to pay your price- if you are patient enough to wait for them. If you're in a hurry to sell. You might need to re-consider from a buyers point of view.

 

[ginericLC]

I'm going through the same thing with my 91 right now. I just spent $200 on a new spindle. A bunch on a new Toyota radiator and I need a new clutch fan. $150 on new wheel bearings for the front end and another $200 in some seals. In the last few months I've spent $1500 on it. I know I did not increase the value by that much, probably not any. If a bearing is good, it is good. If it is bad it needs replaced and it costs money to do that. It didn't make the vehicle worth anymore than one that started with a good bearing. When shopping I might look for one with good maintainance, but really it doesn't change the actual value to most buyers.

On my FJ60 I had over $18,000 in receipts for work I had done to it over the years. I sold it for $8900. And I'm darn lucky I sold it when I did (nov 02). I bet I'd be lucky to get $4500 for it in the current market. Not a very good return on my investment. Unless, I start comparing my per hour fun that I had with it.

The 80 market is in a definite decline right now. I've been thinking of upgrading to a newer one, but I've been trying to wait as I feel it hasn't hit bottom yet. As the gas prices increase, the price of LCs drop. The offroad users market for 80 series is very small when compared to the whole 80 series market. People modifying and using their 80s for 4wheeling do not really drive the prices.

Idaho has very high Cruiser prices and we've been starting to see dramatic drops here. We've had two 100 series in the 17s in the last month. That is a definite sign to at least me that things still haven't declined as much as they will in the 80 series market.

I'll stick with my original 10-11k estimate. Depending upon where you live that might be too high or too low. This is what I would probably give for something like your description in the current market.

 

[Lars]

[quote author=Doc link=board=2;threadid=16539;start=msg159099#msg159099 date=1084888660]
Frankly, I'd be inclined to pay LESS for a lifted truck with off road bumpers because it is more likely to have seen rough miles than a bone stock cruiser. Sorry, but that's the way my buyers mind thinks. [/quote]


Ditto.

 

[sleeoffroad]

[quote author=Doc link=board=2;threadid=16539;start=msg159099#msg159099 date=1084888660]
Frankly, I'd be inclined to pay LESS for a lifted truck with off road bumpers because it is more likely to have seen rough miles than a bone stock cruiser. Sorry, but that's the way my buyers mind thinks.
[/quote]

Actually I disagree. If the truck is lifted and came from a owner that wheeled the truck, there is a good chance that he actually did some maintenance as well. The biggest mistake people make is looking for soccer mom trucks. I can not tell you how many of these we see where people bought them and thought they got a good deal only to discover that no maintenance was ever done. Or it was "serviced at the dealer" and it is a basket case.

People that wheel their trucks in general look after them better. There are always exceptions.

 

[cruiserman]

IMO maintenance buys you (the seller) nothing, since the buyer expects the rig to be in top condition anyway. It's really only used as a negotiation tactic by the buyer, since he can subtract the needed maintenance cost from the typical market value of the rig.

The rig is worth what the buyer will pay.

 

[cruiserdan]

<<<"There are always exceptions.">>>







Ben's mini is a bit "rough" around the edges.

 

[syrinxstar]

[quote author=ClimbingCruiser link=board=2;threadid=16539;start=msg159091#msg159091 date=1084888127]
It is worth what I think it is worth[/quote]

I wish it was that easy - anything is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. You could have a Ming vase in a room full of rednecks, but unless you slap a sticker with a "3" or an "8" on it, it's only worth pennies.

There's no reason not to stick to your guns though and try to get as much as you can for it. Good luck -

 

[cruiserdan]

An important footnote.

Most of our board members are buyers as opposed to sellers and are focused on how low they can go, not how high.

 

[e9999]

Fwiw, when I went through the painful hunting experience(s) recently, I ended up basically giving up on hoping for service records. These were very rarely available and usually incomplete or showing the thing done at Jiffy Lube. A full service history at a dealer would have been helpful and might have been a plus, but only saw it once or twice. So I basically went by condition and very detailed inspection, and then accepting that there was a risk that there may be something wrong that was not visible. To cover that last point, I made sure to buy at below market to cover the eventuality.
As far as mods, if the price was substantially higher than stock because of the mods, I passed. I figured that I would rather do the work myself, know it's done well, and do only what I want. If the price were to have been close to stock, I might have bitten, but it would have taken some serious knowledge of how the work was done and by whom. I would now look seriously at a wrencher's truck telling me all that's been done, but probably would not have done so when I was not as familiar with the rig and the work as I am now, thanks to the list (just no way of knowing at the time if the work was done right or not)
my 2c
Eric

 

[informationjunky]

Simple, post some pics and a price of what you think its worth. If it sells, great, if not lower to what the market will bear.

John looking for lifted 80 with front and rear lockers

 

[p80cruiser]

Hi,

Where are you located? I bought a '93 with stock suspension and well maintained with records for $10,500. (132k on the ticker) If you have maintenance receipts for everything including the lift, I'm betting you could get $12k for it if you find the right buyer. The problem is I don't think you'll be able to find them or be able to sell it at all right now. Your best bet is to hold onto it until the fall when the gas prices come down again. The only cars that are selling well right now are turbo-diesels...

Best wishes,

Powell

 

[erics_bruisers]

it's amazing to me how you pay for miles -- i think a lot of sellers demand quite the premium for lower-mile vehicles --

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[erics_bruisers]

-- and www.edmunds.com pretty much sh!ts the bed on any cruiser's resale value --