gregnash
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I do the same as J except I used wheel bearing grease in the bell cranks just to keep things moving (again mine were seized and I was able to get them apart to clean and what not).
88 FJ62-Vortec 5.3L Re-Power & more....VIDEO ADDED
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I figured out how to get video with sound on to my FB page. Cant figure out how to copy it off FB and post here. So go to my FB page and you can hear start up. It is not initial start up, I've been putting miles on it.
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Sounds AWESOME Stan. Great work!
Nice! Care to share any exhaust details or pics?
gregnash
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Truck sounds awesome Stan. There will always be an ethical debate internally for me on IF my 2F ever dies and I have the money, would I got Vortec or search for a diesel. Lots that plays into that is our state regulations.
A GM V8 is the choice for many different reasons....I will not debate that here..but my v8 swap has increased the fun factor. Cool to stay stock if you can, but the V8 swaps really are a game changer in the positive direction.
gregnash
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Yeah I know that but there is the Toyota Elitist part of me that constantly pulls to stay true.
Also, my state goes by federal regulations which if I interpret properly means that I have to stay with same engine offered in the make/model/year of the vehicle AND offered in the US. My club gets different answers from different DMVs so I am trying to get to the right person and get something documented once and for all.
Doesn't @Mace live in NV? He put a 302 in his bobbed 60 IIRC and has been driving it, presumably legally, for the past couple of years.
gregnash
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Yeah he lives in Southern NV (Las Vegas) which they are a state of their own. Clark County is the largest in NV so they feel that they can do things the way they want to with a lot of stuff so there is the possibility that the laws are different down there. Ultimately I could do it and just hope that I never get caught by the DMV however, I have heard from the guys on Reno4x4 that one of the members did a diesel swap in his older Toyota Pick-up and the DMV caught up with him and made him remove it. How true all that is I am not sure but I would rather not waste the money in a situation like that. Luckily I am in a county that does not require smog/emissions testing which saves me a lot of trouble. Pre-85 you can do whatever you want, so kinda sucks that I am a 10/85 truck.
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Greg,
You certainly have to learn the exact laws in your area. I have read that CA differs from county to county and how technical the "Ref" is. I can tell you that the E-Rod crate motor is billed as 50 state compliant. Most of the rules I have read are concerned with the motor being available in an equivalent vehicle such as another SUV. When done the swap must meet the parameters of the newer donor vehicle. Cant imagine trying to put an older engine in a newer car, no way I'd want to get that headache to pass.
I'd sell a truck that the refs did not pass to an exempt state before I would pull a swap back apart. Again, much of it comes down to interpretation of the law by the individual enforcing the law. I am sure some are more lax than others. I think that using Carb correct parts is half the battle. Must be fun using a base motor like a Vortec and putting an LS1 intake and front drive on it. They are different on the exhaust from manifold on, which model do you judge on as far as EPA bull? Answer, nobody knows for sure.
You certainly have to learn the exact laws in your area. I have read that CA differs from county to county and how technical the "Ref" is. I can tell you that the E-Rod crate motor is billed as 50 state compliant. Most of the rules I have read are concerned with the motor being available in an equivalent vehicle such as another SUV. When done the swap must meet the parameters of the newer donor vehicle. Cant imagine trying to put an older engine in a newer car, no way I'd want to get that headache to pass.
I'd sell a truck that the refs did not pass to an exempt state before I would pull a swap back apart. Again, much of it comes down to interpretation of the law by the individual enforcing the law. I am sure some are more lax than others. I think that using Carb correct parts is half the battle. Must be fun using a base motor like a Vortec and putting an LS1 intake and front drive on it. They are different on the exhaust from manifold on, which model do you judge on as far as EPA bull? Answer, nobody knows for sure.
Very nice!
Did she make the Lokar boot, too, or just match it for the twin sticks?
Did you make the trim ring?
I might need to place an order...
Did she make the Lokar boot, too, or just match it for the twin sticks?
Did you make the trim ring?
I might need to place an order...
Southern Nevada and Reno area do not have different engine swap requirements. We "feel we can do things the way we want"???
Smog requirements are the same from Reno to Vegas. It's actually mandated by the state, however, most counties do not have smog requirements due to a lack of people...
The requirements are fairly stringent. You have to keep all of the smog equipment from the vehicle the motor came out of. That gets complicated with the 4.8/5.3/6.0 because those engines had significant smog equipment that are not easily adapted to a land cruiser. Like the gas cap sensor as an example..
If you swap an older TPI or TBI 350 (or the 5.0 mustang motor I have) it's a piece of cake to keep all of the stock smog equipment.
There are differences in the people who you can talk to about the engine swap because people are flawed, and it's not that common of a thing to do any more. It all "should" be the same. Unfortunately people are not as educated in the laws as they should be.
Once you're "in", are you in for good? Or do you have to jump through hoops every year?
Once you have the certification, you have to get smogged each year (and they check smog equipment). So there is an "inspection" by the smog guy, and you have to pass smog each year. Pretty much the same as you would if you bought a 2004 Tahoe.
gregnash
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Bad state worker joke.... Clark County likes to do things their own way whether the rest of the state agrees and feels that they should have the most "pull" on anything simply because they are the largest county. Sovereign State of Clark County Nevada...
So basically what you are saying is that with the above, you HAVE to keep all emissions stuff for the given year of the vehicle the engine was pulled from, e.g. like you said the sensored gas cap for a newer 5.3 vortec. But if you are able to swap in an older v8 sbc that has tbi then you are good to go? First I have heard that.
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Damn, I am so happy to live in SC, no inspection at all. I understand what they are trying to do but it is an amazing limiting factor on building one's personal vehicle. I think any "built" vehicles should pass a safety inspection and all regulations that applied to the power train in the vehicle that it came out of. An 06 Tahoe had far more strict emissions regs than an 88 Land Cruiser it is going into. So for all concerned it is an improvement.
Once again this exact situation is why GM developed the E-Rod crate motors. They advertise that they are 50 state compliant, so there has to be some sort of loop hole somewhere, even in Nevada. lots of folks can afford a pull out 5.3L not s many can afford a new E-rod.
It is actually kind of funny in Mace's case. A presumably cleaner running later motor can not be used but an older technology motor with less sophisticated emission equipment passes because , well it has less sophisticate equipment that is easy to move over with the motor.
I think that this issue is going to continue to grow as more and more people are doing engine swaps to keep vehicles alive.
Once again this exact situation is why GM developed the E-Rod crate motors. They advertise that they are 50 state compliant, so there has to be some sort of loop hole somewhere, even in Nevada. lots of folks can afford a pull out 5.3L not s many can afford a new E-rod.
It is actually kind of funny in Mace's case. A presumably cleaner running later motor can not be used but an older technology motor with less sophisticated emission equipment passes because , well it has less sophisticate equipment that is easy to move over with the motor.
I think that this issue is going to continue to grow as more and more people are doing engine swaps to keep vehicles alive.
