74weld lc200 portals!

[ravencr]

They will be the same as the lc200. 22% reduction.
no, you will not need tundra arms. Based off our experience with installing portals I would say a factory bbs forged wheel from a new tundra or sequoia would be perfect. That is a positive 60 I believe. The portals add 2.77 inches of width per corner which is about 2” less than the other offerings out there. While it is not the exact same here is my new lx700h on portals with ahc set to normal, plus 40 wheel, 37x12.5 tires and a 50 mm extended flare and the width is not bad at all. On the lc200/lx570 the poke will be even less I believe. View attachment 3992624

Your truck is amazing, for sure. They did an awesome job on it. With those flares, did they cut/trim the stock fenders and body mounts before installing them? Are they also available for the LX 570's, because that's one of my biggest concerns is just not looking like it was meant to be...yours looks like it came from the factory that way.

Chris

 

[Umbrarian]

I just noticed that the portals they are advertising for the 200 are 6 lug.

Should offer 5 lug too. I carry 2 spares. Adding another $2k or more for new wheels when I am happy with what I have is a miss.

 

[bloc]

Thanks for the details.. a few follow-up questions though.

Not really. I drive my 2 74Weld equipped vehicles just as I did before portals. I just did a 1200 mile trip where mostly I was doing 80-85mph and it felt great.

How about heavy use cases like extended towing near the GVWR limits of the platform?

I recommend upgrading any non ahc suspension as we are adding some mass and width with the weigh of the portals and larger tires. Off the shelf suspension offerings are more than enough. While I can’t speak for how the ahc on a lx570 handles it I can say my ahc on the lx700h feels great.

With the hub centerline moving further away from the stock position, I was more thinking about things like axle wrap, since these will put significantly different forces on the suspension than stock.

Seems like I’ve been reading more reports of cracked rear UCA bushings, which isn’t a huge surprise given how short the arms are for the amount of wheel travel.. and wondering if things like this should be refreshed or possibly upgraded in preparation for something like this product.

 

[benc]

Should offer 5 lug too. I carry 2 spares. Adding another $2k or more for new wheels when I am happy with what I have is a miss.

Unfortunately just not enough vehicles with the 5x150 pattern for them to offer it at this time.

 

[Umbrarian]

Unfortunately just not enough vehicles with the 5x150 pattern for them to offer it at this time.

5x150 is the factory wheel size for LC200. Not sure how every single vehicle is not enough.

It also seems to me a 1.22 reduction requires a 39 inch tire to put it back in the factory RPM band. I would have guessed most folks would go with 35 (1.12 optimal) or 37 (1.18 optimal).

Am I missing something?

 

[benc]

Thanks for the details.. a few follow-up questions though.



How about heavy use cases like extended towing near the GVWR limits of the platform?



With the hub centerline moving further away from the stock position, I was more thinking about things like axle wrap, since these will put significantly different forces on the suspension than stock.

Seems like I’ve been reading more reports of cracked rear UCA bushings, which isn’t a huge surprise given how short the arms are for the amount of wheel travel.. and wondering if things like this should be refreshed or possibly upgraded in preparation for something like this product.

Those are great questions. I would recommend reaching out to 74weld to get some of the more technical questions answered. I don’t see the towing to be a problem but i would let them answer that one.

Yes, there will be more leverage on the rear control arms so it is possible that bushings will need to be changed slightly more frequently. I know they are working on building their own control arms which would be a significant upgrade from the factory ones. We typically do upgrade the arms on all of our portal builds we do here at dissent offroad.

 

[benc]

5x150 is the factory wheel size for LC200. Not sure how every single vehicle is not enough.

I understand that but most of the other Toyota platforms are not. I understand this is unfortunate for your particular use case but for the masses a 6x5.5 makes more sense. This opens up far more positive offset wheel options than going with a 5x150. For manufacturing purposes it doesn’t make sense for them to offer a 5x150 at this time.

 

[Umbrarian]

I understand that but most of the other Toyota platforms are not. I understand this is unfortunate for your particular use case but for the masses a 6x5.5 makes more sense. This opens up far more positive offset wheel options than going with a 5x150.

Not unfortunate for my use, but for every single LC200 owner they are targeting to sell. The "masses" are all running 5x150 for this application. Between this and an a very low reduction, it seems they are going to miss the market.

Easier for me to skip LC200 and go with portals on my next vehicle. I imagine I am not alone.

 

[benc]

Not unfortunate for my use, but for every single LC200 owner they are targeting to sell. The "masses" are all running 5x150 for this application. Between this and an a very low reduction, it seems they are going to miss the market.

Easier for me to skip LC200 and go with portals on my next vehicle. I imagine I am not alone.

The 22% reduction is perfect in my opinion. Anything more and you would have to run a 38 or 40” tire to drive on the freeway. You’re welcome to reach out to 74weld and voice your concerns. Again, with the high positive offset that is required to address the added width from the portals I think we are much better off converting to a 6x5.5 in my opinion.
I’d recommend looking at what kind of wheels are available in a 5x150 bolt patters in a positive 40 or higher offset, there are not many if any that I am aware of.

 

[Umbrarian]

The 22% reduction is perfect in my opinion. Anything more and you would have to run a 38 or 40” tire to drive on the freeway. You’re welcome to reach out to 74weld and voice your concerns. Again, with the high positive offset that is required to address the added width from the portals I think we are much better off converting to a 6x5.5 in my opinion.
I’d recommend looking at what kind of wheels are available in a 5x150 bolt patters in a positive 40 or higher offset, there are not many if any that I am aware of.

I will certainly research it when it is go time. If the standard 5x150 wheel is not available in the offset required, then I understand the decision to go to something else.

 

[ravencr]

Lower ratio is always better, especially when adding a bunch of weight, in my opinion…especially on N/A engines. I can see the potential concern of having 5x150 wheels already, but they can always be sold and replaced with new shiny ones too lol.

Chris

 

[TeCKis300]

What is the brake package that will be used on this application? Re-use of 200-series brakes and rotors adapted to the portal box? Or will new brake hardware be included?

I imagine it has to be new rotors at a minimum with the 6x5.5 pattern.

 

[ravencr]

What is the brake package that will be used on this application? Re-use of 200-series brakes and rotors adapted to the portal box? Or will new brake hardware be included?

I imagine it has to be new rotors at a minimum with the 6x5.5 pattern.

Good point. I just dropped $4,500 for powerbrakes.

Chris

 

[Umbrarian]

What is the brake package that will be used on this application? Re-use of 200-series brakes and rotors adapted to the portal box? Or will new brake hardware be included?

I imagine it has to be new rotors at a minimum with the 6x5.5 pattern.

74weld page said new larger calipers, but page has since been taken down.

 

[kcjaz]

I have stock diffs in my 2013 and battling what I want to do too. Are your diffs 4.88’s and arb’s?

Yes. 4.88 and ARBs. If I ever go portals, it’s way down the road and probably on a different vehicle.

 

[bloc]

I know they are working on building their own control arms which would be a significant upgrade from the factory ones.

Looking forward to seeing what they do, given how nice these parts appear.

 

[tbisaacs]

Get ready Ic200 owners!


Full details tomorrow and more pics. We have been hounding 74Weld for the Ic200 for a while now and they delivered. As some of you know we here at Dissent offroad have been running and installing their portals on the new gen Toyotas for a while now and they are an absolute game changer. If we can answer any questions whatsoever or if you are interested in exploring portals for your Ic200 reach out to sales@dissentoffroad.com and we are happy help. Also feel free to start some discussion here and I will try and keep it updated.View attachment 3992456

Hey Ben, what are your thoughts on the optional rear gusset that 74w has provisioned? Do you guys fab them up when installing? Having so much leverage on those dinky rear hub bolts kinda weirds me out.

 

[benc]

Here is a video with a few more details!

 

[benc]

Lower ratio is always better, especially when adding a bunch of weight, in my opinion…especially on N/A engines. I can see the potential concern of having 5x150 wheels already, but they can always be sold and replaced with new shiny ones too lol.

Chris

The correct ratio is always best. Lower is not always better. The 22% is perfect for a 37/38” tire.

What is the brake package that will be used on this application? Re-use of 200-series brakes and rotors adapted to the portal box? Or will new brake hardware be included?

I imagine it has to be new rotors at a minimum with the 6x5.5 pattern.

That is a good question. On the new gen stuff they typically provide rotors and factory calipers are retained. I do know they are working directly with power brake as well.

Hey Ben, what are your thoughts on the optional rear gusset that 74w has provisioned? Do you guys fab them up when installing? Having so much leverage on those dinky rear hub bolts kinda weirds me out.

Yes. We fab our own on most of our installs but we are also working directly with 74Weld to maybe help manufacture some brace offerings.

 

[benc]

74weld shared some more photos with me. Just needs some Dissent bumpers and it would be perfect