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Would love a sticker sheet and a patch if any are still available!

As of yesterday I found out that my sliders (in addition to my KISS drawers) will not be arriving in time for LCDC. Kind of bummed, but it is what it is. Looks like I will be running this stock (with 33” KO2s), hopefully that doesn’t hold me back from all the fun.
 
Geoff, we’ve done the 285S route out of Denver a number of times pulling our Lance 2285 with our LC. In fact, that has always been my preferred way to get into the mountains as we love the Buena Vista area. There is a fair bit of up and down on that route. Here are a couple of tips:
  • As we go through a few miles around the community of Conifer the segmented cement roadway causes a lot of bouncing/porpoising for us. (The bouncing happens to a slight degree when I’m simply driving the LC through that area so it has a lot to do with the wheel base of the LC and the length of the cement segments.). But it does end eventually.
  • There is a section past Pine Junction where there is a significant descent and the road goes from 2 lanes to 1 and around a curve. The speeds in that section go down to 45 for a reason. (Bad accident there a couple years ago.). But it is short.
  • The steepest section is what is called Crow Hill. It descends into the community of Bailey. I think it is 8%. There are warnings signs for trucks. I use 1st and 2nd to keep the speed under control without needing to ride the brakes. Someone may not like you going so slow but it is only a minute or so and when you get into Bailey the road becomes 2 lane going through town.
  • Then there is Kenosha Pass but it is not a problem. Passing lane for the first part of the climb. I have no problem maintaining the 45MPH speed going up.
  • There are a couple lesser passes but not a problem if you are not pushing the speed. A long running and gradual descent into Buena Vista (lovely area with some great, easy off reading) with lots of curves.
  • Now, the big question on this route is what is called the Weston Pass fire near Fairplay. It was bad enough on July 4th weekend that they had closed the highway. But that was a couple weeks ago.
  • The other consideration with this route is that you still need to go over Monarch Pass. I’ll discuss that below.

Now if you want the flattest route it is probably the one you found on Google. Take I25 south just pass Colorado Springs in order to pick up US-50. BUT, don’t go all the way to Pueblo. There is a cutoff often used by trucks that takes you from I-25 to Canon City. If you go this route and can’t find that cutoff let me know and I’ll show you where it is. I think Google used that on the route it gave us last year when we towed the trailer to Ouray from Denver.
  • This route (I25, US-50 to Montrose then south to Ridgway then over Dallas Divide) only has one big pass to go over. Plenty of ups and downs but very manageable. This route is our preferred route to get to the San Juan mountains with the trailer.
  • The drive along the Arkansas River (from Canon City to Salina) is lovely.
  • Monarch Pass is the bear. 12,000’. Lots of curves. Some with little shoulder. 6-7% for about 9-10 miles on each side. I think I used 1st and 2nd gear (on my 8-speed) to manage speed going down. I kept it about 20mph primarily because of the tight curves and I didn’t want to have the speed build up and then have to break hard for a curve. But it doesn’t last forever. And when that pass is done, you are good to go.
  • @Ohnoitsbreaux, is right about Gunnison. We actually stayed at a small RV park just west of the town for a few days last September. The Crested Butte area is awesome but you probably won’t have time.
  • @Ohnoitsbreaux is also spot on about the Dallas Divide out of Ridgway. There are a couple of country roads that run from the highway south to the San Juans and Mt Sneffels that go through the Ralph Lauren ranch. I’ve done a bunch of photography in there but you won’t want to drag your trailer along that road. And Last Dollar Rd is likely to be one of the easy trails runs for the weekend (if they do easy runs) and an awesome drive (be sure to do it going north to south starting at the Dallas Divide as that offers the best views) but you won’t want to take your trailer on that!
  • BTW, there is a toll beltway around the east of Denver. I don’t know that I would want to go through Denver during rush hour. Toll road isn’t cheap but it has far less traffic.
The I70 to Grand Junction route is a toss up when towing a sizable trailer. I’m don’t enjoy towing the trailer up and over the “Triple Bypass”. Floyd Hill, Loveland Pass (Eisenhower Tunnel) and Vail Pass. Just too much work and we see lots of mountains anyway. We towed the trailer over Eisenhower Tunnel a couple weeks ago. It was fine, just not something I would choose to do. But we were headed to Steamboat Springs and no other route made sense. I haven’t yet done Vail Pass. I find that one a bit more imposing Han Eisenhower Tunnel due to the condition of the tarmac in some areas. I haven’t done Fremont Pass from Copper Mountain over to Leadville (suggested by @Ohnoitsbreaux) with the trailer. I have done it a few times on a bicycle and it is one of our favorite passes. About a 7% grade doing up. Very steep but very short curving descent just over the top. Then a gradual descent for a few miles before a short, each climb to Leadville. After that it is an easy drive south through Buena Vista towards Poncha Springs and US-50. But then you need to go over Monarch Pass. That’s 3 big passes.

If you take I70 over to Grand Junction it certainly is a lovely drive. And once you are over Vail Pass there are no more big passes. Grand Junction to Ridgway though Montrose is easy. This is why we plan to store our trailer in Grand Junction (when it is not in Oregon.).

Let me know if you have any more questions. The one section I haven’t done with the trailer in tow is the Dallas Divide from Ridgway over to Telluride.
 
Would love a sticker sheet and a patch if any are still available!

As of yesterday I found out that my sliders (in addition to my KISS drawers) will not be arriving in time for LCDC. Kind of bummed, but it is what it is. Looks like I will be running this stock (with 33” KO2s), hopefully that doesn’t hold me back from all the fun.

You should be fine, but if you haven’t already done so, you would do well to remove your running boards/steps. They will be in the way and possibly pretty tweaked at some point.

Other that that, you should be fine running stick with 33’s.
 
You should be fine, but if you haven’t already done so, you would do well to remove your running boards/steps. They will be in the way and possibly pretty tweaked at some point.

Other that that, you should be fine running stick with 33’s.

My running boards are long gone. Just a shame I ordered these big ticket items a couple of months ago and they won’t be here for my first big trip in the Cruiser. Thank you @Markuson I appreciate your vote of confidence.
 
My running boards are long gone. Just a shame I ordered these big ticket items a couple of months ago and they won’t be here for my first big trip in the Cruiser. Thank you @Markuson I appreciate your vote of confidence.

:) one last note— Last time we all did Ouray (two years ago, same gathering) we had a guy with 100% stock...including street tires and running boards. He bent his boards, but was otherwise fine including black bear and other trails that tend to be described as more difficult that they really are. :)

Glad you can make it! See you in a week and a half. :steer:
 
Please put me in for one of those stickers sheets and patch if still available.

I still have not found a camping spot for sure but I have a few spots in mind that were mentioned earlier in the posts. We will be sleeping in our RTT.

On another note do I need to purchase a radio or will there be enough cruisers with comms to spread to each group? I understand that you have to get a license in order to use a HAM radio.
 
Please put me in for one of those stickers sheets and patch if still available.

I still have not found a camping spot for sure but I have a few spots in mind that were mentioned earlier in the posts. We will be sleeping in our RTT.

On another note do I need to purchase a radio or will there be enough cruisers with comms to spread to each group? I understand that you have to get a license in order to use a HAM radio.

Get an inexpensive pair of FRS/GMRS radios for $30 from Amazon. Everyone can use them and last year at Breck there were enough to go around on loan if someone didn't have one or one wasn't working right. Some guys will have HAM but if you don't have your license you'll want a way to communicate.
 
I've got a portable ham coming this week. I don't have a license yet, so I'll just be listening. As linuxgod said, FRS radios are cheap. If you don't have time to order from Amazon, you can pick some up at Walmart.
 
Very well said!

Fremont Pass isnt bad in the truck/towing and the views pulling into Leadville are spectacular, plus the mining history is interesting.

Like you, I would avoid Vail pass. Between 18wheelers, others pulling trailers, people flying, people sitting in left lane, it's really atrocious all around and the views arent that great (considering what you are about to see). Also, pls take note that many of the smaller towns have cops- State Troopers are in chargers and unmarked Explorers. Sheriffs are typically in trucks. If you take Vail Pass, there is a temptation to speed through East Vail the next 10 miles after you've gotten down Vail Pass. Please dont speed lol. There are cops strategically placed starting halfway down Eisenhower Tunnel where the plows turnaround, base of that hill, right after the Silverthorne exits, Copper (1/2 way between Frisco and Copper exit, top of Vail Pass, bottom of Vail Pass where the truck runaway ramp is, East Vail exit (center), and all throughout Avon. Please dont take this as me preaching, but I have a ski house in Avon and drive this often- they are everywhere lol.

Also, speaking of road conditions- Vail Pass road gets pretty trashed bc of the weather and number of big rigs rolling through there. Just something to think about.

Will

Geoff, we’ve done the 285S route out of Denver a number of times pulling our Lance 2285 with our LC. In fact, that has always been my preferred way to get into the mountains as we love the Buena Vista area. There is a fair bit of up and down on that route. Here are a couple of tips:
  • As we go through a few miles around the community of Conifer the segmented cement roadway causes a lot of bouncing/porpoising for us. (The bouncing happens to a slight degree when I’m simply driving the LC through that area so it has a lot to do with the wheel base of the LC and the length of the cement segments.). But it does end eventually.
  • There is a section past Pine Junction where there is a significant descent and the road goes from 2 lanes to 1 and around a curve. The speeds in that section go down to 45 for a reason. (Bad accident there a couple years ago.). But it is short.
  • The steepest section is what is called Crow Hill. It descends into the community of Bailey. I think it is 8%. There are warnings signs for trucks. I use 1st and 2nd to keep the speed under control without needing to ride the brakes. Someone may not like you going so slow but it is only a minute or so and when you get into Bailey the road becomes 2 lane going through town.
  • Then there is Kenosha Pass but it is not a problem. Passing lane for the first part of the climb. I have no problem maintaining the 45MPH speed going up.
  • There are a couple lesser passes but not a problem if you are not pushing the speed. A long running and gradual descent into Buena Vista (lovely area with some great, easy off reading) with lots of curves.
  • Now, the big question on this route is what is called the Weston Pass fire near Fairplay. It was bad enough on July 4th weekend that they had closed the highway. But that was a couple weeks ago.
  • The other consideration with this route is that you still need to go over Monarch Pass. I’ll discuss that below.

Now if you want the flattest route it is probably the one you found on Google. Take I25 south just pass Colorado Springs in order to pick up US-50. BUT, don’t go all the way to Pueblo. There is a cutoff often used by trucks that takes you from I-25 to Canon City. If you go this route and can’t find that cutoff let me know and I’ll show you where it is. I think Google used that on the route it gave us last year when we towed the trailer to Ouray from Denver.
  • This route (I25, US-50 to Montrose then south to Ridgway then over Dallas Divide) only has one big pass to go over. Plenty of ups and downs but very manageable. This route is our preferred route to get to the San Juan mountains with the trailer.
  • The drive along the Arkansas River (from Canon City to Salina) is lovely.
  • Monarch Pass is the bear. 12,000’. Lots of curves. Some with little shoulder. 6-7% for about 9-10 miles on each side. I think I used 1st and 2nd gear (on my 8-speed) to manage speed going down. I kept it about 20mph primarily because of the tight curves and I didn’t want to have the speed build up and then have to break hard for a curve. But it doesn’t last forever. And when that pass is done, you are good to go.
  • @Ohnoitsbreaux, is right about Gunnison. We actually stayed at a small RV park just west of the town for a few days last September. The Crested Butte area is awesome but you probably won’t have time.
  • @Ohnoitsbreaux is also spot on about the Dallas Divide out of Ridgway. There are a couple of country roads that run from the highway south to the San Juans and Mt Sneffels that go through the Ralph Lauren ranch. I’ve done a bunch of photography in there but you won’t want to drag your trailer along that road. And Last Dollar Rd is likely to be one of the easy trails runs for the weekend (if they do easy runs) and an awesome drive (be sure to do it going north to south starting at the Dallas Divide as that offers the best views) but you won’t want to take your trailer on that!
  • BTW, there is a toll beltway around the east of Denver. I don’t know that I would want to go through Denver during rush hour. Toll road isn’t cheap but it has far less traffic.
The I70 to Grand Junction route is a toss up when towing a sizable trailer. I’m don’t enjoy towing the trailer up and over the “Triple Bypass”. Floyd Hill, Loveland Pass (Eisenhower Tunnel) and Vail Pass. Just too much work and we see lots of mountains anyway. We towed the trailer over Eisenhower Tunnel a couple weeks ago. It was fine, just not something I would choose to do. But we were headed to Steamboat Springs and no other route made sense. I haven’t yet done Vail Pass. I find that one a bit more imposing Han Eisenhower Tunnel due to the condition of the tarmac in some areas. I haven’t done Fremont Pass from Copper Mountain over to Leadville (suggested by @Ohnoitsbreaux) with the trailer. I have done it a few times on a bicycle and it is one of our favorite passes. About a 7% grade doing up. Very steep but very short curving descent just over the top. Then a gradual descent for a few miles before a short, each climb to Leadville. After that it is an easy drive south through Buena Vista towards Poncha Springs and US-50. But then you need to go over Monarch Pass. That’s 3 big passes.

If you take I70 over to Grand Junction it certainly is a lovely drive. And once you are over Vail Pass there are no more big passes. Grand Junction to Ridgway though Montrose is easy. This is why we plan to store our trailer in Grand Junction (when it is not in Oregon.).

Let me know if you have any more questions. The one section I haven’t done with the trailer in tow is the Dallas Divide from Ridgway over to Telluride.
 
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Hello Everyone!

I'm new to the forum...and new to the LC200. My GF and I just picked up a 2016 LC with 31k miles on it last month. We live in Aurora, CO and we are trying to confirm the time off of work to join up with all of you in Telluride.
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Hello Everyone!

I'm new to the forum...and new to the LC200. My GF and I just picked up a 2016 LC with 31k miles on it last month. We live in Aurora, CO and we are trying to confirm the time off of work to join up with all of you in Telluride.
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Congratulations! Looking forward to meeting you all there!
 
I noticed on the sign up sheet that a few had mentioned staying in Cayton Campground. We were able to book site 24 Loop B on the 25 & 26th, but its sold out for the 27-29th...so we are still looking for a site to camp Friday-Sunday. I tried using the search function to scan the thread for camping ideas, but I wasn't successful. I'll have to play around with the search on here a bit...or read through the 29 pages of this thread...We will figure it out... In any case, we are excited to meet you guys! ;D
 
Pismojim update :
We left Pismo one week ago with mountain bikes and our "Tiny Trailer". We spent some time in Sonoma and Truckee before finding ourselves somewhere in the Unita - Wasatch-Cache mountains tonight. We're heading to Silverton for the Hard Rock 100 ultra trail run (look it up and be glad you drive a Land Cruiser). We'll be in Silverton Thu-Sun before heading to Matterhorn CG, Telluride, Mon-Sun. Point being, if you see some wacky Kaliforians stumbling around the San Juan Mountains in a 200 Series swerve, honk, wave and say hi , we're looking forward to seeing/meeting you all real soon.

Jim and Katherine

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Be nice to see you Jim, last time was 10 years ago on the Rubicon if memory serves me right. Maybe a CM since then
 
I noticed on the sign up sheet that a few had mentioned staying in Cayton Campground. We were able to book site 24 Loop B on the 25 & 26th, but its sold out for the 27-29th...so we are still looking for a site to camp Friday-Sunday. I tried using the search function to scan the thread for camping ideas, but I wasn't successful. I'll have to play around with the search on here a bit...or read through the 29 pages of this thread...We will figure it out... In any case, we are excited to meet you guys! ;D
I'm staying in Cayton, site 14 loop A starting Thursday night. I think Cayton has some first come first served sites as well, so when you get there you might inquire if there are any available that you can just snag one of those instead and free up your current site, or perhaps you can move once you're there.
 
I noticed on the sign up sheet that a few had mentioned staying in Cayton Campground. We were able to book site 24 Loop B on the 25 & 26th, but its sold out for the 27-29th...so we are still looking for a site to camp Friday-Sunday. I tried using the search function to scan the thread for camping ideas, but I wasn't successful. I'll have to play around with the search on here a bit...or read through the 29 pages of this thread...We will figure it out... In any case, we are excited to meet you guys! ;D

I may have space at my camp. If our second vehicle doesn't show, you're welcome to use my site.
 
I updated the sheet to maybe for the Slee Dinner. We have a family thing Sunday the 29th I need to be back for so may leave Sat before the dinner. On Saturday, thinking of going Ophir to Engineer pass and then towards Lake City. Not sure where others would split off to head back to Telluride. It is called the Alpine loop

Engineer Pass Road

Here is a description
Trail Length: 23.4 miles
Low-End Rating: 2
High-End Rating: 3

One of Colorado's most scenic offroad drives is the Alpine Loop, a combination of this trail and the Cinnamon Pass trail. Though you can drive the loop in either direction, it is most typically driven west on Cinnamon Pass and east on Engineer Pass. You can drive the loop in any SUV with good clearance, though you may find challenges in some spots on the west end of the trail. It is usually a busy trail, so if you have troubles it will probably not be long before someone finds you.

The trail starts at the creek crossing in Animas Forks, a scenic and interesting ghost town that is worth some exploration. The trail begins climbing immediately from the trailhead as it passes the end of the Cinnamon Pass trailhead, and it continues climbing for a bit until the actual pass. This is the most intimidating section of the trail, a steep climb up a shelf road. Be very careful if you must pass a vehicle.

A good stop to catch your breath is at Oh Point, a left turn off of the main trail that leads you down a brief spur to an amazing overlook. You can see the overlook from the main trail, and it is not far. It is flat on the overlook, with plenty of room to park and take pictures.

Continue along the trail to find signs for Engineer Pass as you cross the Continental Divide. It is desolate but beautiful.

Your descent continues as you travel down the mountain along Henson Creek. You will follow this creek all the way to the end of the trail in Lake City, and it makes for some gorgeous scenery.

There are many sights along the way, and almost all of them are marked with informative signs. These make great places to stop and learn about the surroundings. If you have the time and the inclination, a great stop is at Whitmore Falls, marked with a sign. Park here and walk a short distance to an overlook for the falls, or continue along the steep hike to work your way all the way down to the falls themselves. The hike back up is steep but not very long.

Capitol City is a small, restored collection of buildings at the intersection with North Henson Road. The trail is very easy from this point to the end. You can see many mines and ruins along the trail, and when you are nearly to Lake City there are some areas of private land. Be sure to stay on the trail and observe the signs that mark when the trail passes between public and private land areas.

The trail ends in the tiny town of Lake City where you can pick up highway 149. Head south on the highway for a brief distance to pick up the Cinnamon Pass trail to continue the Alpine Loop.
 
I updated the sheet to maybe for the Slee Dinner. We have a family thing Sunday the 29th I need to be back for so may leave Sat before the dinner. On Saturday, thinking of going Ophir to Engineer pass and then towards Lake City. Not sure where others would split off to head back to Telluride. It is called the Alpine loop

I'd definitely consider doing that if there are a few others who are game. I'm only going to wheel on Friday and Saturday. I'd really like to do Imogene and Black Bear one day, and Alpine Loop/Engineer Pass/Cinnamon Pass another day (doesn't necessarily matter which day).
 
I'll be doing it all the way to Lake City on Saturday. I think the question comes will there be others from lake City taking the loop back over Cinnamon pass as I will likely be heading to Denver from there
 

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