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Beyond me just not wanting such a feature, Toyota's track record with starter solenoid contacts would give me serious reservations about the long-term reliability of this.
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It doesn’t worry me. I expect that Toyota understands that the duty cycle for the starter will be different and that it will require the starter, battery, etc to be more robust.
For some hybrid cars, there isn’t a separate starter motor anymore, if I understand correctly. Instead, the hybrid’s electric motor is used as the starter.
My wife’s new C300 has the start stop system. I don’t drive her car very often, but the times I have driven it the system didn’t bother me at all. Yes, I could tell when the engine started up and shut down, but it wasn’t a big deal. We haven’t had the car long enough to have much experience with reliability (and Mercedes reliability isn’t as good as Toyota), so time will tell.
I have a daily ES300 Hybrid and it starts/stops all the time and unless I'm thinking about it, I don't notice it at all. 65k so far and no issues. It's an appliance for commuting, but a pretty nice appliance.
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I believe this is correct. Huge brushless electric motor = great, virtually zero-wear way to start an ICE.
But yes I do think toyota will validate a start/stop system if it makes it into the landcruiser, however starter solenoid contacts have been an issue on Toyota’s for decades, and yet that issue made it into our 200s as well.
If you driver a vehicle with the auto engine stop feature it will definitely kill your habit of creeping forward at stoplights.
This looks about as official as I've seen
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Bummer for the LC nameplate, at least. LX 300 or bust!
2021 LC200
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Bummer for the LC nameplate, at least. LX 300 or bust!
Bummer Indeed for LCThis looks about as official as I've seen
2021 LC200
Bummer for the LC nameplate, at least. LX 300 or bust!
long live the lx300
pls v6 turbo and 7 seater and I will finally die with a toyota..... long live toyoda
Stumbled across this today. Not sure if this has already been discussed.
2021 Toyota Tundra Hybrid spied while testing...
2021 Toyota Tundra Hybrid spied while testing...
I've said it many times the past year, to the point of Motor1 getting a lengthy email from me and reporting on it in February. Ditto for The Drive and other outlets.
Sequoia was due for cancellation until 2015 (dealers begged), when a minor refresh was developed for 2018 and another for 2020, new model program was initiated in 2017.
2023 MY, as TMMTX is being renovated to accommodate Sequoia production starting in 2022. I believe that even tooling tests will be conducted for 2023 Sequoia next year, as it's already underway for 2022 Tundra and is where the photo in lighting came from. Tacoma is moving to Mexico-only production by end of 2021.
Also have 100% confirmation Tacoma is solidified for MY 2024, every body on frame USA Toyota for 2023MY has been fully styled and only one remaining is 2024 Tacoma (final design almost done), which is scheduled for Q3 2023.
So:
- Spring 2021: 2022 Land Cruiser 300 (not for USA)
- July 2021: Last of 200 Series arrives in USA
- Late 2021: 2022 Tundra (Currently tooling assembly and final prototype testing)
- Q3 2022: 2023 Sequoia (design is frozen, prototypes in testing)
- October 2022: 2023 4Runner (design is frozen, prototypes being developed)
- Q3 2023: 2024 Tacoma (wrapping up design process)
- CY2023-24: Land Cruiser nameplate reintroduced to USA on smaller bodystyle (being studied)*
(Anyone that doesn't believe non-asterisk items, you will see later)
This is very interesting from your post:
“CY2023-24: Land Cruiser nameplate reintroduced to USA on smaller bodystyle (being studied)”
As exciting as this is it puts zero wind in my sails here in the states. Having already ordered a 200 series is probably the better reason for my lack of excitement for the 300 that’s not coming here.
If you think about it makes a lot of sense, Let Lexus sell the 300 Series LX version since they outsell the Toyota by a large margin. And bring in something cheaper for the US market, which slots in with the current line up. The Sequoia fills the role of 7 seater SUV Station wagon, so the LC could get back to its roots so to speak. If the next gen shared frame for the Hi-Lux/Tundra/Tacoma is used you could do something interesting which would be priced to sell in larger numbers replacing he FJC and the LC in one swoop.
Hopefully they do it right, but I am not very optimistic at the design direction Toyota seems to be migrating to:
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I’m suddenly craving an orange cream sickle.
Not really. It's been years since the 570 or Land Cruiser topped 5000 units in the U.S. Sales of both are terrible, and I doubt that discontinuing Land Cruiser will significantly boost sales under the Lexus badge.
Land Cruiser's discontinuation is just another step along the way to the total demise of the platform under either badge in the U.S. The luxury Land Cruiser is a failure. Like the wildly successful Wrangler and Bronco, Toyota needs to bring Land Cruiser back to its roots.
Agreed. Bring it back to the basics and compete with the Wrangler and new Bronco head on. Don't get me wrong, I love the 200 platform, but the market wants these small off-roaders. Another nameplate for a big durable SUV continuation perhaps? (I'm partial to Land-Yacht.
)Agreed. Bring it back to the basics and compete with the Wrangler and new Bronco head on. Don't get me wrong, I love the 200 platform, but the market wants these small off-roaders. Another nameplate for a big durable SUV continuation perhaps? (I'm partial to Land-Yacht.
The 4 door bronco is nearly the size of the 200. 4 inches less in length, and the width is similar (Wildtrak is wider).
The 200 was never marketed well in the U.S. and it was tailored to people with bigger pocket books. Overseas, it is tailored to the masses with different price points. I can see why Toyota did it that way in the USA, they wanted sales of the Sequoia and 4Runner. The 200 was not a design failure, it had poor implementation.
With the announcement of the discontinuation of the 200 and possibly no follow-on LC emblem in the US, what are the thoughts here on the impact of this on the resale value of our 200's?
I'm envisioning my Craiglist ad: "This is possibly your last chance to own an iconic Toyota Land Cruiser!"
I'm envisioning my Craiglist ad: "This is possibly your last chance to own an iconic Toyota Land Cruiser!"
