I believe the 6 lug allows the vehicle to carry more weight and a vehicle with 6lug will have bigger brakes. I could be wrong but that’s what I recall.
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It's about the number of lugs, but also Pitch Circle Diameter (PCD). Basically the imaginary circle diameter that the lugs are spaced to.
Land Cruisers / Tundras / Sequoias are 5x150mm (5x5.9")
Tacomas / 4Rs / FJs are 5x139.7mm (6x5.5")
Larger PCD is inherently geometrically stronger.
Lug size also differs with the 5-lugs using M14 x 1.5 versus 6-lug M12 x1.5.
So the 5-bolt current LC format is ultimately stronger with less bolts.
Looks like the 300-series/TNGA-F architecture is going down to the 6x139.7mm format from the looks of the pictures?
Land Cruisers / Tundras / Sequoias are 5x150mm (5x5.9")
Tacomas / 4Rs / FJs are 5x139.7mm (6x5.5")
Larger PCD is inherently geometrically stronger.
Lug size also differs with the 5-lugs using M14 x 1.5 versus 6-lug M12 x1.5.
So the 5-bolt current LC format is ultimately stronger with less bolts.
Looks like the 300-series/TNGA-F architecture is going down to the 6x139.7mm format from the looks of the pictures?
What @TeCKis300 said on PCD
@bjowett - does Toyota have a modern (post 80-series) full float 6x139.7 hub anywhere (and sensors to go with it that might be compatible with the 300 series)? Asking for a friend
And while I missed it on the premiere, yes, my understanding is that the LC & Tundra will be 6x139 (although that is an assumption based on Tundra soy pics as opposed to any leaked specs).
Toyota NZ says the new model will offer a wading depth of 700mm, ground clearance of 235mm, an approach angle of 32 degrees and a departure angle of 25 degrees.
The GR Sport model is also fitted with Electronic Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System, Adaptive Variable Suspension, four Drive Modes (Sport S, Sport S+, Comfort and Customise), and is fitted with lockable front and rear differentials.
All LC300 models will ride on Dunlop Grand Trek AT30 rubber - from the same family as the tyres fitted to the LC200 - with the VX and GR Sport trims getting 18-inch wheels, and the top-spec VX Limited getting 20-inch wheels.
For towing, Toyota NZ says the LC300 will "tow a 3500kg braked trailer load with ease".
There are some big changes inside, too, with the LC300 family now fitted with a Head-Up Display, and a massive 12.3-inch touchscreen equipped with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
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235 mm = 9.25 in.
700 mm = 27.5 in.
3500 kg = 7716 lbs.
Looks like AHC is indeed dead. AVS is probably like the one in GX…electronically controlled shocks to go along with electronic KDSS.
The GR Sport model is also fitted with Electronic Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System, Adaptive Variable Suspension, four Drive Modes (Sport S, Sport S+, Comfort and Customise), and is fitted with lockable front and rear differentials.
All LC300 models will ride on Dunlop Grand Trek AT30 rubber - from the same family as the tyres fitted to the LC200 - with the VX and GR Sport trims getting 18-inch wheels, and the top-spec VX Limited getting 20-inch wheels.
For towing, Toyota NZ says the LC300 will "tow a 3500kg braked trailer load with ease".
There are some big changes inside, too, with the LC300 family now fitted with a Head-Up Display, and a massive 12.3-inch touchscreen equipped with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
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235 mm = 9.25 in.
700 mm = 27.5 in.
3500 kg = 7716 lbs.
Looks like AHC is indeed dead. AVS is probably like the one in GX…electronically controlled shocks to go along with electronic KDSS.
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Like I said earlier… new 6 lug to allow more weight.
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2022 Toyota LandCruiser 300 Series to get higher payload
Six-lug wheels hint at a higher payload for the 2022 Toyota LandCruiser 300 Series, which will share its platform with the Tundra and Prado
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What @TeCKis300 said on PCD
@bjowett - does Toyota have a modern (post 80-series) full float 6x139.7 hub anywhere (and sensors to go with it that might be compatible with the 300 series)? Asking for a friend
And while I missed it on the premiere, yes, my understanding is that the LC & Tundra will be 6x139 (although that is an assumption based on Tundra soy pics as opposed to any leaked specs).
No, but we certainly can try to build something.
I imagine the EKDSS concept was someone (very high) saying, "What if we put shock absorbers on the shock absorbers?"
But I do like it and I think it's a very clever, creative and brilliant idea.
But I do like it and I think it's a very clever, creative and brilliant idea.
AHC dead? You mean even on a Lexus variant? Does that mean the height is non adjustable on this new system entirely?
Seems that way…since there is no mention of AHC nor height adjustment In any literature i have read.
Toyota may add AHC to Lexus USA models…but i don’t see Toyota doing that just for one region.
Wonder if the active variable suspension will be able to do this, at least to an extent?
I think that is just electronically controlled shocks (e.g. Lexus GX).
Like I said earlier… new 6 lug to allow more weight.
2022 Toyota LandCruiser 300 Series to get higher payload
Six-lug wheels hint at a higher payload for the 2022 Toyota LandCruiser 300 Series, which will share its platform with the Tundra and Prado
I do hope that's the case.
Just not sure based on pictures as it seems to look like a smaller PCD? There's other ways to gain payload, including reduced base curb weight. Just for kicks, I put this together. It's hard to make out .5" of PCD difference so again, I hope you're right. But not completely sure based on rough eyeballing here. If I can find high res pics of just the wheels, can make a more accurate comparison.
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I thought the rear window looked smaller and with a much larger trim piece, but this really shows the difference in size.
Does anyone think the front bumper looks a bit modular? Like the luxury trim level and gr trim level lower fascia are swappable? Kinda cool if it's a simple swap for approach angle, especially if USA LX spec maintains the "sport" effects.
Any details on the cabin filter replacement process? That should have been it’s own segment.
While awesome to finally see the 300-series announcement, in the context of the other worldy cars with bar setting advancements being announced, can't help to be a bit disappointed. There's nothing groundbreaking here and it's steady advancement. Not necessarily a bad thing as the LC was and likely continues to be the king in its own mission.
I have to think everything we learned is only the starting point, a foundation from which additional awesomeness will come. We know there's additional drivetrain variations, higher performance configurations and hybrids. GZ, ZX, Lexus LX600 with potential VIP and F-Sport trims, haven't been announced with details. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss future advancements of AHC (as some are so apt to do??), because for those that have experienced it, understand that it's a major defining capability of Land Cruiser technology. Every other manufacturer (and even Toyota), has been throwing more and more tech at suspensions. Not a time to back down here.
I'm not a Ford fan by any means, but gotta give credit to what they've been delivering. The Eco-Boost engine, for which the new Toyota V6 TT powerplant resembles in architecture, was introduced in 2011! F150 10-speed in 2017. F150 Hybrid releasing this year. EV Lightning announced. Their quickly expanding Bronco lineup. Nevermind Rivian, Cybertruck, Hummer EV, all with dynasty changing tech. None of these are necessarily direct competitors to the current king of the road, but they're all indications that the world is changing, and possibly ready for a different dynasty soon if the King doesn't keep pace. I find myself wavering too. Hard not to be swayed when there's compelling 1000+ HP, greater range, 3000+lb payload, 35s+ tires, greater safety tech, efficiency, and the list goes on.
As a Cruiser and Lexus die-hard, I'm really trying hard to root for the future 300-series platform, but I need to see more.
I have to think everything we learned is only the starting point, a foundation from which additional awesomeness will come. We know there's additional drivetrain variations, higher performance configurations and hybrids. GZ, ZX, Lexus LX600 with potential VIP and F-Sport trims, haven't been announced with details. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss future advancements of AHC (as some are so apt to do??), because for those that have experienced it, understand that it's a major defining capability of Land Cruiser technology. Every other manufacturer (and even Toyota), has been throwing more and more tech at suspensions. Not a time to back down here.
I'm not a Ford fan by any means, but gotta give credit to what they've been delivering. The Eco-Boost engine, for which the new Toyota V6 TT powerplant resembles in architecture, was introduced in 2011! F150 10-speed in 2017. F150 Hybrid releasing this year. EV Lightning announced. Their quickly expanding Bronco lineup. Nevermind Rivian, Cybertruck, Hummer EV, all with dynasty changing tech. None of these are necessarily direct competitors to the current king of the road, but they're all indications that the world is changing, and possibly ready for a different dynasty soon if the King doesn't keep pace. I find myself wavering too. Hard not to be swayed when there's compelling 1000+ HP, greater range, 3000+lb payload, 35s+ tires, greater safety tech, efficiency, and the list goes on.
As a Cruiser and Lexus die-hard, I'm really trying hard to root for the future 300-series platform, but I need to see more.
At the six figure cost, I just don’t see enough either. Even if it’s not a “luxurious” brand per say, the LC is in the segment wether it wants to be perceived that way or not. Toyota undoubtedly understands this as we have multiple trim levels outside the USA which emphasize this point. It just doesn’t work here in the states because for what we pay for cars here, the competition is too compelling even within the brand itself!
I like to think of myself as their core audience and not particularly an overland enthusiast. What I want is a robust and capable safe vehicle for my family, that can handle anything unexpected and will last a lifetime with little headaches. As much as the 300 delivers on this, so did the outgoing models, and perhaps more so as we will have to see what kind of lifespan the new power trains will provide.
My main issue is that creature comforts can’t be the sacrificial lamb that provides the “dependability” at this price point. That is a counterintuitive approach if you asked me to expand the market for this car globally.
For example, I would gladly take efficiency improvements but what I really need is increased range. If they took this concept and shrunk the gas tank to save weight, it does nothing for me in practicality in the real world. Anyone driving this car is not considering consumption first by any stretch of the imagination but Id like to be able to go more than 300-350 miles on a road trip between fill ups. Never mind fuel anxieties offroad getting 6 MPG and just drinking at idle to run the car.
There are big changes happening in the industry at this junction and I’m not sure Toyota’s strategy will pan out for them. Simple and robust definitely has an audience, but the ubiquitous take on this is dumb and obsolete. People look at the current lineup as dinosaurs, and that will just continue to be the case as the landscape around us changes more and more. To think that this is it for the next decade or more is astonishing. The 300 simply has not evolved enough IMO.
I am really looking for Lexus to carry the torch this time around because honestly the competition is looking fantastic. I’m hoping the LX600 h is that vehicle.
Also Toyota, bring back the FJ already.
I'm sure the new 300 will be a nice improvement over the 200, but it is not as earth shattering as the jump from the 100 series to the 200 series.
Maybe it should be called a 250 series???
I still wish we had the chance to purchase the 300 series as a Toyota here in the USA, but that denial has been loudly and proudly shoved in our collective faces. NO!!!
Honestly, I am not really that heartbroken after actually seeing the new 300 series and its vanilla evolutionary changes.
Ok here since 2008, now in 2022 you get a: New Universally Shared Toyota Manufacturing Frame, Aluminum Roof and an Eco-Boost engine. (All way over due by 2016.)
No Tailgate (Overlanding & Camping), Huge Plastic Bumpers ( It will be interesting to see ARB and others make a nice looking bumper.) Missing Cool Box?
All while, it still appears to be very short on in-cabin storage and drink holders for a modern day vehicle with 5-7 passengers.
A new $90k-100k+ Toyota Land Cruiser would be seen as just another Toyota SUV by 95% of the folks in the parking lots of wherever villages USA.
However, a $110k - 130k Lexus LX600 is a rich guys car...
That's why I'll still be daily driving my old Toyota LC 200.
Peace.
Maybe it should be called a 250 series???
I still wish we had the chance to purchase the 300 series as a Toyota here in the USA, but that denial has been loudly and proudly shoved in our collective faces. NO!!!
Honestly, I am not really that heartbroken after actually seeing the new 300 series and its vanilla evolutionary changes.
Ok here since 2008, now in 2022 you get a: New Universally Shared Toyota Manufacturing Frame, Aluminum Roof and an Eco-Boost engine. (All way over due by 2016.)
No Tailgate (Overlanding & Camping), Huge Plastic Bumpers ( It will be interesting to see ARB and others make a nice looking bumper.) Missing Cool Box?
All while, it still appears to be very short on in-cabin storage and drink holders for a modern day vehicle with 5-7 passengers.
A new $90k-100k+ Toyota Land Cruiser would be seen as just another Toyota SUV by 95% of the folks in the parking lots of wherever villages USA.
However, a $110k - 130k Lexus LX600 is a rich guys car...
That's why I'll still be daily driving my old Toyota LC 200.
Peace.