3" lift or lower, and 37's or bigger?

[Tools R Us]

Bah ha ha. I would LOVE to go out in the bush and tear shreds off you with the mentioned set up. Stock and 37's??? Are you serious!!!!

Maybe in the "bush",,, maybe,,, but not happening where we wheel, period.

 

[TheBigBoy]

Yes, point taken.

If articulation is not needed. I'm sure the set up is fine. But you will not get very far at all here with that set up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJuEZLTI-I

 

[TheBigBoy]

Your talking about diff clearance. I'm not saying to run smaller tyres. I'm saying to run appropriate size lift for the tyres. Diff clearance doesn't change. Ramp over, approach/departure angles improved with active, usable travel. It's a package.

That set up might be fine for what you guys do. But you wouldn't get far at all here without damaging or rolling it. Or... Avoiding the hard tracks.

 

[devildogcruiser25]

Lets not get too carried away here, OP just wanted some real experience and not a bunch of speculations.

 

[TheBigBoy]

What speculation? I was asked, so just answering. And it's good for people to know.

 

[devildogcruiser25]

Ok

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[VCCruzr]

OME J lift on 37"s 30 mm spacers and a 1" body lift.

In the first pic, I am running everything you stated above - J's + 30mm Spacers rear, MetalTech 2" Front + 1" BL and I still had serious rubbing issues with the 37x13.5x17 Toyo MTs. Switched from 1.5" wheel spacers to 1" with no improvement

2nd pic, I have switched to FOR Gen II springs, removed 30mm spacers from rear, trimmed fenders 1" F&R, 1.25" wheel spacers and now have ZERO rubbing for the first time since 33s.


Sorry James, this is not answering your question/request in OP.

 

[Tools R Us]

... But you wouldn't get far at all here without damaging or rolling it. Or... Avoiding the hard tracks.

How would you roll it in that trench, lean it over I can see, rolling it over, not seeing it? We have plenty of that type of washouts, mostly started by unlocked rigs tearing up the trail, when possible we drive around them, IMHO they are .

That is a hard track, flex exhibition, yes, but hard? Just about any locked rig would be able to make it, not as graceful, but could make it. Would look something like this.

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

Is anyone running this combo? Impressions? Issues?

Pictures would be highly appreciated.

~5" bump stops and you will be fine

 

[TheBigBoy]

You wouldn't roll it in that trench. Just an example. Why I said damage (put it on its side or into the bank) or roll it. Lockers aren't the be all answer. Suspension travel and lockers/tyres are. Without getting into geometry or weight distribution etc. I'd be happy to take up the challenge with tge upmost confidence if I lived there.

 

[Tools R Us]

Your talking about diff clearance. I'm not saying to run smaller tyres. I'm saying to run appropriate size lift for the tyres. Diff clearance doesn't change. Ramp over, approach/departure angles improved with active, usable travel. It's a package.
...

You tend to make blanket statements as fact, based in your experience, without taking into account that others experience may differ. Was done arguing with you, because you know it all, but got sucked in,,, again.

Setup differs greatly with terrain. All setups are a series of compromises, there is no perfect setup, even yours. If you brought your rig here, would immediately be schooled, see that it has short comings for how wheeling is done here.

At one time, it was also all about flex here. Now more are willing to give some flex for tire, lower CG, etc, with positive results, it makes for a more stable rig.

Yes, a bigger tire gives more diff clearance, the 2" from 33" to 37" is huge in the rocks. But it's more than that, due to the larger diameter all angles improve, approach/break over/departure. Larger tires fall in less holes, climb rocks, ledges, etc, much easier, overall the rig is more capable, gets beat up less.

For example a run from a couple of weeks ago. Had a rig with 33"s, she made it, but line selection was limited, had to be precise and struggled the most of all of the rigs. She has the advantage of size, can sneak between things that we cant.

 

[Tools R Us]

Bigger tire rigs are more capable, so have more choices for lines. You are not going to run this type of stuff with 33"s, once the axle, etc, is on the rock you are done. When the rock or ledge is under cut, a 33" will stuff under it, you are done. A larger tire will roll right over it.

 

[Tools R Us]

The even bigger tire rigs have even more line choices, will roll over stuff that my little 37"s cant.

 

[TheBigBoy]

You tend to make blanket statements as fact, based in your experience, without taking into account that others experience may differ. Was done arguing with you, because you know it all, but got sucked in,,, again.

Setup differs greatly with terrain. All setups are a series of compromises, there is no perfect setup, even yours. If you brought your rig here, would immediately be schooled, see that it has short comings for how wheeling is done here.

At one time, it was also all about flex here. Now more are willing to give some flex for tire, lower CG, etc, with positive results, it makes for a more stable rig.

Just giving my 2 cents worth. And happy to listen aswell. Like I said, I just don't get it. All our tracks are rutted out and extremely steep, not just 1 hole or a rock like in your pic. And what I was saying (without any offense intended) your rig won't make it anywhere in our 4x4 parks here. And I have trouble thinking you don't have the same terrain over there. It would be great to do some of your runs in my rig.

 

[TheBigBoy]

Bigger tire rigs are more capable, so have more choices for lines. You are not going to run this type of stuff with 33"s, once the axle, etc, is on the rock you are done. When the rock or ledge is under cut, a 33" will stuff under it, you are done. A larger tire will roll right over it.

Your points are valid. But with more wheel travel. I'd have a greater choice of lines. Each to their own.

 

[Tools R Us]

Just giving my 2 cents worth. And happy to listen aswell. Like I said, I just don't get it.

You don't need to get it, you are not building for the type of wheeling that we do? Rig setup evolves to fit the terrain, type if wheeling, to fit the need. Why aren't you over in the arctic thread telling them that they need to run 33" tires with lots of flex?

All our tracks are rutted out and extremely steep, not just 1 hole or a rock like in your pic.

One rock? I don't think that I posted the same rock/obstacle twice. That rock garden is ~1/2 mile long, one continuous obstacle, the total dirt miles for the day was ~50miles.

And what I was saying (without any offense intended) your rig won't make it anywhere in our 4x4 parks here. And I have trouble thinking you don't have the same terrain over there. It would be great to do some of your runs in my rig.

My rig is not designed/setup for your trails, why would it be?

Agree, I would love to wheel down under, but would rent/barrow/ride in a rig better setup for the local conditions.

 

[TheBigBoy]

That's not the part we are talking about. We are just debating 37's, stock/min lift (hardly any travel). vs 33" and tuned 3" lift. All I'm saying is I'd like run it through the rock garden. Although you have more diff clearance and grip. I think you would be surprised at the stability and control. As we do alot of rock crawling here aswell. Not knocking anyone's choice. Personal preference.

 

[Tools R Us]

That's not the part we are talking about. We are just debating 37's, stock/min lift (hardly any travel). vs 33" and tuned 3" lift. All I'm saying is I'd like run it through the rock garden. Although you have more diff clearance and grip. I think you would be surprised at the stability and control. As we do alot of rock crawling here aswell. Not knocking anyone's choice. Personal preference.

Who mandated that rigs with 37"s can't have tuned suspension or would have "hardly any travel"?

 

[dafun1]

The bigger the better on tires. And keeping the lift low keeps the COG low. My next tire will be a 40. These rigs need all the tire you can give them. 2" of suspension lift, 1" body lift, cut fenders, and 40's. That will be me. I'm running that setup, just with 38.5x11 boggers. Wheels great, I just need longer shocks for more down travel.

 

[wv_lx450]

I am contemplateing going down to 4 inch from 6 but here on the east coast and the stuff I wheel in I find I really need the belly clearance, I have run 4 inch and 37's and kept getting hung up underneath.

I would like to run 40's on 3 inches of lift but that would require extensive surgery I think

I know that wvlx450, I think that is his name runs about 3inches of lift and 40 inch tires, but he is also running 1 tons as well.

That is the thing I would love to lower center of gravity and run big tires but then you need to upgrade all kinds of other things

i was running 3" with 37's for a while. worked pretty well with some bump stop work and a little fender massaging with a hammer. the biggest issue, where i wheel, was constantly hanging on the belly. i have about 7" now to clear the 42's (with lots of trimming).
here's a pic when it had 37's with 3" lift.