2F/3FE 'Heavy Duty' Aisin Fan Clutch

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Has anyone used one of these Black Hub Fan Clutches ? Listed on a couple vendor sites as 'Heavy Duty' black hub vs the 'Standard Duty' red hub.

Just wondering what makes them 'Heavy Duty' over the standard FCT-017 red hub or even the Aqua Hub 80-series fan Clutch.


 
I got a wp and fan clutch from @cruiseroutfit a few months ago and the difference was nicely explained to me. I wanna say the HD one locks up a little earlier and longer to keep the fan cranking more faster more often. I hope I remembered that correctly. Of course, their explanation was much better. :)

I just re-read your question...I don't think I answered anything of value.
 
You did -

I just didn't know if that was what the vendors were referring to when labeling those as HD, as opposed to say, beefier components or more viscous internal oil... These must be a non-USA application or ... ?

Do you find the HD black hub creates more noise ? Maybe only on cold starts?

Thanks!

Thanks very much!
 
I got a wp and fan clutch from @cruiseroutfit a few months ago and the difference was nicely explained to me. I wanna say the HD one locks up a little earlier and longer to keep the fan cranking more faster more often. I hope I remembered that correctly. Of course, their explanation was much better. :)

I just re-read your question...I don't think I answered anything of value.


@CardinalFJ60 do you have that Aisin FCT # for the black hub HD 2F/3FE fan clutch? Looks like Cruiser Outfitters is out of stock on those and I am weighing either that fan clutch against the FCT-049 (green hub?). Thanks for letting us know.
 
The one I have is the standard duty "017" - haven't installed yet. turned out to be a sneaky hose leak I didn't see... I'll take a picture of the box/label in a little bit
 
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You did -

I just didn't know if that was what the vendors were referring to when labeling those as HD, as opposed to say, beefier components or more viscous internal oil... These must be a non-USA application or ... ?

Do you find the HD black hub creates more noise ? Maybe only on cold starts?

Thanks!

Thanks very much!
I bet they’re for desert climate vehicles.
 
@CardinalFJ60 I know its a few years later, but can you confirm that the photo you showed there with 16210-61121 was actually the heavy duty clutch? I notice the box does say "standard duty" on it. I have been looking for a heavy duty (high temp) fan clutch myself since I live in a warm environment, and am trying to figure out which one is which. It kind of looks like the AISIN label of 61121 is correct, and then they put their in-house Cruiser Teq label of 61120 on it incorrectly?

The only place I can see which actually sells the fan clutch clearly indicated as being for running in hotter environments or heavy duty applications is Red Line Landcruisers, for $165:

The Cruiser Teq ($137) one doesn't say anything other than Heavy Duty, but is probably correct:

On Rock Auto, they also sell something (US MOTOR WORKS 22076) just referred to as a "Heavy Duty" (with black paint in the photo), but I can't tell if it is actually what I want. Much more tempting for just $42, and it does state it interchanges with part 1621061121... but generally I prefer the AISIN/OEM part if I can get it.

Any idea what is what (or if it is all the same)?
 
Is it safe to assume then that this heavy duty fan clutch would be used for high ambient temperature operations and crawling?

EDIT: Just read the description on redline cruisers site, this answered my question.

Is anyone running one of these? Would love to hear some real world data/feedback.
 
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@DrRock I just ordered one of the hot and heavy fan clutches from redline - I'll update here when I get it delivered and installed, and let you know if it seems to cool any better. I already run a 180 degree thermostat, and it manages reasonably well, but a good climb on a warm day can get it up a bit hotter. As I can generally hear when the fan clutch kicks in, I know it could do a little better. I am looking at getting my AC system working again, and figure I could use all the help I can get with cooling when I am pushing the engine a little harder.
 
@DrRock I just ordered one of the hot and heavy fan clutches from redline - I'll update here when I get it delivered and installed, and let you know if it seems to cool any better. I already run a 180 degree thermostat, and it manages reasonably well, but a good climb on a warm day can get it up a bit hotter. As I can generally hear when the fan clutch kicks in, I know it could do a little better. I am looking at getting my AC system working again, and figure I could use all the help I can get with cooling when I am pushing the engine a little harder.
I just installed my HD fan clutch just in time for some +90 DEG F temps here. My temp gauge creeps up but on my Sniper CTS ( which is mounted in the block drain on the LH side of the engine) I will see 210 Max on a 10min climb in second gear with RPM’s between 3000-3200RPM in 90DEG F ambient, with the AC running. I’m also running the factory 190 DEG F thermostat.

As for the factory gauge reading, it will go up to around 3mm (~.125”) below the top on the white band of the temperature gauge. From my perspective, this is perfectly fine and expected per the information from Toyota. These trucks aren’t like new vehicles that have more sophisticated thermal management. I would also speculate that Toyota did this on purpose to provide more feedback to the driver so one can adjust ones driving habits accordingly.

Overall, I do see temps running 3-5 DEG F cooler with the new fan clutch.

For reference, my engine has Chevy small block stainless valves, cylinders punched out to yield 4.4L displacement with factory pistons, Holley sniper and a Jim C. Re-curved distributor with timing set right on the 7DEG. I initially set the advance around 9 DEG but was getting some pinging so brought it back to 7 and it runs really well now. Given the distributor re-curve, I suspect that is providing enough advance in the higher RPM range to not warrant additional baseline advance. Lastly, I’ve run 4 different octane fuels ( 87, 89, 93 10% ethanol blend max and 91 non ethanol blend) in like for like driving conditions with no changes observed in engine temp or performance for that matter. Next winter I’m going to update my header to the Tri-Meki header which in theory would bring the teams down as the scavenging is improved. I’m already running a 2.5” stainless header from the manifold back but the improved scavenging should move the exhaust out of the engine bay quicker.

Bottom line is given the age, state of tune and differences that these 35+ year old trucks have, each one is unique like a snowflake. As long as you aren’t going into the red, you are fine. I’ve also checked with an IR temp gun and highest I’ve seen on my head near the exhaust manifold was 215 DEG F. I’m glad to have the fan clutch installed as every little bit helps. I’ll be driving to Colorado, then Arizona later this summer so the additional cooling will be appreciated.

Hope this information helps and looking forward to your results.

Cheers, James
 
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