I have good hopes that would be composed and not too extravagant based on today's pic:
2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (1 Viewer)
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So if you have to buy a LX600 to have a real 300 series in USA, this new “lc” is really a lc prado isnt it?
Does toyota think US customers will believe this new LC is the big dog and buy in droves due to it being cheaper than previous 200 series LC?
Wont this take away 4runner sales?
Does toyota think US customers will believe this new LC is the big dog and buy in droves due to it being cheaper than previous 200 series LC?
Wont this take away 4runner sales?
I'm not sure there's any difference between the 300 and Prado anymore other than body style. If they have the same frame, axles, suspension, engine, transmission. What is left to make the 300 more desirable beyond the engine software that's a $500 tune away from matching? Presumably it'll start at a higher price than a base model 300 in the USA.
I'm not sure why they have 2 of the same thing.
I do think it'll pull sales from 4Runner unless the 4Runner is significantly changed from it's current role. If not - they'll be pretty close to direct competitors within the same dealer lot. But so are the GX and LX now, so I guess that's not a big concern at Toyota.
Great question and I am as puzzled as you. Not sure I understand Toyota's thinking... My understanding is that the poor sales + very bad MPG of the LC200 was the two key reasons for Toyota USA to pull out the LC200 from here. The push from the US government to have better average MPG across the whole fleet.
When the 5th Gen T4R was launched, the prices were not as high as they are today. I remember when I got my Trail edition in 2011, it was something like $35K if I remember correctly. Back then there was a clear spectrum and range for 4x4 from the T4R all the way up to the LX (expensive LC). There were clear differences between the Prado "GX in USA" and the LC's and T4R's. For 2024, I am not sure no more. My feeling is that the LX will disappear from the USA soon enough.
Yes, the USA LC would be the LC Prado of the world, which is the 1st time Toyota will bring it here, other than the "Luxury" Prado in the form of the Lexus GX. And what you said last, it is my very hope: A LC (Prado this time) that is more affordable, that would compete vs the many other big SUV options here. I was very sad when the no LC300 announcement was done here, but VERY happy to see that the Prado will make it to the USA.
When the 5th Gen T4R was launched, the prices were not as high as they are today. I remember when I got my Trail edition in 2011, it was something like $35K if I remember correctly. Back then there was a clear spectrum and range for 4x4 from the T4R all the way up to the LX (expensive LC). There were clear differences between the Prado "GX in USA" and the LC's and T4R's. For 2024, I am not sure no more. My feeling is that the LX will disappear from the USA soon enough.
Yes, the USA LC would be the LC Prado of the world, which is the 1st time Toyota will bring it here, other than the "Luxury" Prado in the form of the Lexus GX. And what you said last, it is my very hope: A LC (Prado this time) that is more affordable, that would compete vs the many other big SUV options here. I was very sad when the no LC300 announcement was done here, but VERY happy to see that the Prado will make it to the USA.
That's where I think Toyota might make the differences. Same platform but one step down axels, suspension, etc etc. Maybe things will be more blurred in 2024 because they will share the same platform, but if we use todays LC200 and Prado, even the highest level of Prado, you can still feel the difference between them when you ride and use both. ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with the current Prado vs LC200, it is a great vehicle and as I have said before, I have dreamt of this dream for decades, where Toyota will sell the Prado here in the USA, but they do feel different.
Same, not sure why they have both. But I think they will be different enough for both to exist. The Prado being the "cheapest" Land Cruiser for what I am perfectly fINE and HAPPY to pay. My gut feeling is that the Prado would have better MPG and hence it is the choice to keep the Landcruiser alive in the USA without sacrificing the average MPG per company.
Same, not sure why they have both. But I think they will be different enough for both to exist. The Prado being the "cheapest" Land Cruiser for what I am perfectly fINE and HAPPY to pay. My gut feeling is that the Prado would have better MPG and hence it is the choice to keep the Landcruiser alive in the USA without sacrificing the average MPG per company.
I remember when the head USA Tundra/Sequoia developer (Mike Sweers) was interviewed on the Sequoia release, and he mentioned it was either going to be the full size 300 LC or the Sequoia being offered in the US, but not both, and the team decided on the Sequoia.
Now for the life of me, I cant understand why they won’t offer a long wheelbase model offering (similar to a Surburban vs. Tahoe) that can have a useable cargo area with the hybrid battery.
Then the LC actually makes sense as an offering to slot in between the 4Runner and long wheel base Sequoia.
Now for the life of me, I cant understand why they won’t offer a long wheelbase model offering (similar to a Surburban vs. Tahoe) that can have a useable cargo area with the hybrid battery.
Then the LC actually makes sense as an offering to slot in between the 4Runner and long wheel base Sequoia.
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From what we already know - they both share the same wheel base, width, and same rear axles and rear suspension. The GX has eKDSS from the LC300. Frames visually are very close to identical with minor change for higher rear clearance on the Prado/GX. I don't see any of the same variation between the current Prado/LC200 as far as parts sizing or strength. It's still TBD in some cases since no one I'm aware of has actually seen part number lists or put parts like steering boxes side by side. So far, everything I've seen points to them being the same underneath. And we know they share the same engine, transmissions, and transfer cases. They have the same tow ratings, so presumably the same cooling systems. My guess is that the heavy duty vs light duty distinction is all but gone. (Unless we count the Sequoia that really is a step up in size from the LC300/GX550.) I think we need a bit more time to really tell, but it sure looks like they share similar or the same rolling chassis and powertrains.
I think it's pretty likely the new LC gets a hybrid turbo 4 and my bet is the base engine is the turbo 4 not the TTv6. Ideally it would be offered with all 3 options - T4, T4h, and TTv6. And it may use an 8 speed instead of the 10 speed transmission. According to Toyota engineers the 8 speed gives higher belly ground clearance. So, it might make sense to put that transmission in the off-road focused model. I'm a bit skeptical of that claim, but that's what the head engineer of the Tacoma said as they could have used either one and why they chose the 8 speed over the 10 speed.
WOW ! Even better, in my eyes. If they have closed the gap further between the LC and the Prado and it is more towards the LC, it is better for me even with a less powerful engine and a 8 speed. I really would not mind a more efficient great Land Cruiser !!!! I am with you that would be nice to see at least options here, but Toyota USA had not done that in the past, but if they do, please offer a striped down Prado and take my money NOW !
I was under impression that the Prado (LC250) and 300 were much more different.
Reading your post makes sense.
Will the USDM LC be priced higher than Sequoia Pro or less than GX550 or more?
Oh dear God, I hope less than the Sequoia TRD Pro at near basically $80K !!!!! If that is the case, I would be either into a GX550 or keeping my LC200 LOL !!!
I would think it has to be priced above the SR5 Sequoia but less than the TRD Pro. But that’s where it gets confusing. Maybe it will be around $55-65k (4cyl being in the 50s) and the GX will be $70k? That makes sense relative to the 4Runner but then gets crowded with the GX, LC, and Sequoia. I don’t know. These numbers are crazy considering I had a fully loaded 4Runner for $45k less than 10 years ago. And a mid-level GX for $52k.
My price guess is really dependent on engines. If it has a non-hybrid T4 - I think the base model will start around high 40's to low 50's and top out around $70k with a TTv6. If it is only T4 hybrid - I think the window of price range will be between around $55 and 65k. I don't think they can go much beyond $65k without the TTv6. And I think the 4Runner will be basically an SUV equivalent of the Tacoma - so it'll start around $40k and max around $60k. The TRD Pro and Trail Hunter trims of the 4Runner are likely to end up very similar to the LC and GX550.
Here's where it gets weird to me: Tacoma also shares the same rear suspension, 9.5" axle, same track width and very similar if not the same front suspension as the LC/GX. And the Tacoma has Adjustable fox bypass shocks on the TRD Pro and bypass remote reservoir shocks on the TrailHunter. And the TH version has electronic disconnecting sway bars. Even the TRD OR has remote reservoir mono-tube bilstein shocks. Assuming the same is applied to a 4Runner equivalent trim - how much different will a 4Runner Trailhunter be from the new Land Cruiser? It's very possible that the 4Runner will end up being more capable with better suspension and bigger tires and nearly the same size. If that's the case - where does the pricing line up? Is a TRD Pro or Trailhunter 4Runner more expensive than a LC? Maybe? If it's cheaper - why buy the LC? Or will they overlap the same segment? I have no idea.
Here's where it gets weird to me: Tacoma also shares the same rear suspension, 9.5" axle, same track width and very similar if not the same front suspension as the LC/GX. And the Tacoma has Adjustable fox bypass shocks on the TRD Pro and bypass remote reservoir shocks on the TrailHunter. And the TH version has electronic disconnecting sway bars. Even the TRD OR has remote reservoir mono-tube bilstein shocks. Assuming the same is applied to a 4Runner equivalent trim - how much different will a 4Runner Trailhunter be from the new Land Cruiser? It's very possible that the 4Runner will end up being more capable with better suspension and bigger tires and nearly the same size. If that's the case - where does the pricing line up? Is a TRD Pro or Trailhunter 4Runner more expensive than a LC? Maybe? If it's cheaper - why buy the LC? Or will they overlap the same segment? I have no idea.
Been trying to figure out the seats of the new GX so I can go sit in one b/c I have a hip issue.
It seems like the overtrail seats are the same as the LX F-sport seats…
LX F Sport seat
Overtrail+ seat
It seems like the overtrail seats are the same as the LX F-sport seats…
LX F Sport seat
Overtrail+ seat
I think the main difference will be the 4Runner will have the 4cyl engine and the LC will have the V-6.
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This is out there, but what if the 4R is offering an electric option? Maybe that’s how they’ll differentiate 4R and LC. 4R will be lighter duty off reader with a hybrid or electric option, while the LC will remain the ICE full powered off roader.
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I would also expect the 4Runner to be smaller with less head room. Which is true right now. After the seat jackers my head touches in the 4Runner and not in the GX. I am 6'5" YMMV
6th Gen T4R It will be more of a Tacoma SUV clone so expect same windshield angle and aesthetics as the new Tacoma. Probably a slightly shorter wheelbase and just narrower enough to make the LC an Upsell. Like a Fortuner
6th Gen T4R It will be more of a Tacoma SUV clone so expect same windshield angle and aesthetics as the new Tacoma. Probably a slightly shorter wheelbase and just narrower enough to make the LC an Upsell. Like a Fortuner
Isn't the Fortuner based on the Hilux? I am not tracking this but was the Tacoma release applicable to the Hilux as well or is the Hilux a completely different chassis and model? It makes sense for the 4R to downsize to the Fortuner footprint to differentiate from the LC.
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