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Was making an analogy but also under the impression that all of the body on frame vehicles were going to eventually align to the new platform with maybe the exception of the 70 series
2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (6 Viewers)
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That would be okay to me. I'm still not sure why they wouldn't just have 2 engine options in a single vehicle. But it probably makes the 4r the true overland choice because the 4cyl is serviceable and the V6 basically isn't. I'm pretty torn on which engine I'd want between them. The V6 power is a lot better. But the 4cyl is a better design for taking in the field and owning longer term. I wish it was I4 vs I6. I think I'd prefer the V6.
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Not getting the "good stuff" is the price we pay for not being a third world country.
I think this sort of personifies Toyota.
Sequioa...
Hey lets design a full size SUV and give it mid size cargo capacity... Bonus points for if can get worst in class fuel economy.
LC
Hey we spent 15 years designing the most rugged and reliable SUV on the planet. We should totally compete it against Denali's, Escalades, EQS's and Q8's. in the most over saturated segment in the biggest car market on the planet.
Prado/GX/LC
Hey, instead of just selling the 300 series with the same options that are available in every other market, Lets get the engineers to make the next gen Prado the same size the 300 series and give it the same power train.
Century
Hey, let's do a reliable Rolls Royce SUV with the Sequioa power plant and call it 200k. Done.
4runner/tacoma. Lets make it look like a small sequoia but with a tiny engine.
I have no clue how well the sequoia is selling,
I would be a buyer if they had a non-hybrid variant with more cargo room,
Quoting @TeCKis300 post #32
200-series Pinnacle of "Land Cruiser" in the States?
Have details on axle/ring gear size been released? The idea of a 200-sized GX still on the 8.2 doesn’t get me excited.
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Looking at the chassis comparison, the 300-series is still larger and built to a higher standard with more robust cross sections, larger brackets, and more substantial elements. There's quite a bit but I'll just point out a few. Maybe others can as well.
1) Front bump stops - the GX has a single stop, the LX utilizes two as does todays 200-series
2) Body mounts - the two largest ones in the mid section, the 300-series brackets are larger and tie into a longer section of frame
3) Front LCA pickup points - 300-series pickups are tighter in to the frame and would be geometrically stronger/stiffer''
GX 550
LX 600
2024+ GX vs 2022+ LX -- Frame + suspension
So I posted these in the other threads but figure they are worthy of a separate thread for now, maybe someone with a good eye can tell us what difference they notice. 2024+ LEXUS GX LX 600
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I think you're drinking the cool aid here. The two are 50lbs different. And the GX has significant body structure additions the 300 doesn't. I think the variations between them we can see so far are immaterial.Quoting @TeCKis300 post #32
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200-series Pinnacle of "Land Cruiser" in the States?
Have details on axle/ring gear size been released? The idea of a 200-sized GX still on the 8.2 doesn’t get me excited.
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Looking at the chassis comparison, the 300-series is still larger and built to a higher standard with more robust cross sections, larger brackets, and more substantial elements. There's quite a bit but I'll just point out a few. Maybe others can as well.
1) Front bump stops - the GX has a single stop, the LX utilizes two as does todays 200-series
2) Body mounts - the two largest ones in the mid section, the 300-series brackets are larger and tie into a longer section of frame
3) Front LCA pickup points - 300-series pickups are tighter in to the frame and would be geometrically stronger/stiffer''
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2024+ GX vs 2022+ LX -- Frame + suspension
So I posted these in the other threads but figure they are worthy of a separate thread for now, maybe someone with a good eye can tell us what difference they notice. 2024+ LEXUS GX LX 600
They are not 100% identical as everyone seems to point out. I am sure more there are more differences that we probably won't know until we see in real life.
Fact of the matter is, the flagship body on frame TNGA-F product is the LX600 ( and later LX700) on the Lexus side and LC300 on the Toyota side. This is not speculation, it is a fact.
That surely has to translate in numerous ways in the vehicle development/core construction.
I am not drinking any cool aid, I already own a LC300 with triple lockers that is probably cheaper and more capable than the GX550 based on specs we have seen( I can't comment on capability of LC250 because we don't know official specs yet )
Being a newer product, It is expected some things in the GX/250 as of the current model year might have more updated spec/tech because well, it is a newer product after all, but things do eventually fix themselves with future updates, just like how the Seqouia had the hybrid before the LX/300, eventually the LX700 will come out and be on top of the range performance wise again.
Also @Jetboy I will be fair here and share
these two photos since you mentioned body structure additions.
maybe someone can chime in and tell us a reason for the differences? I would assume obviously different bodies. different use of material would cause a difference in what we are seeing in these photos, but also natural cycle of product development and updates.
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these two photos since you mentioned body structure additions.
maybe someone can chime in and tell us a reason for the differences? I would assume obviously different bodies. different use of material would cause a difference in what we are seeing in these photos, but also natural cycle of product development and updates.
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The flagship is the Sequoia in terms of size and robustness. It's bigger, heavier, and more powerful than any version of the 300. As is the Tundra. They are the only two full size models with the highest capacities, biggest frames, up sized drivetrain, etc. The lc300 is a midsize version that's effectively identical to the GX. The options for front locker is a regional market decision. The LX doesn't even get a rear locker.
I'm not sure why the GX and Tacoma lack that option. Especially the Tacoma. It's Toyotas most capable model for off-road use. I'll be surprised if the new LC doesn't have it.
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I have sat inside a Sequoia and don't be fooled by the fancy looking leather/screens, it does not feel the same quality as the LC300 from a touch and sense point of view.
Now back to topic, the good news is the Prado even in the past did feel like a land cruiser inside the cabin quality wise in terms of what you can touch and feel. not as fancy interior wise but it still felt like its land cruiser material if you know what I mean. Basically anything that has Land Cruiser in the name just seems to hit different, and it's more than psychological, it can be felt the moment you get in the car. Even if they share platforms. Many cars share platforms but they can be really different to experience.
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This still does not convince me that the Sequoia is more durable off road than a LC300 or even the upcoming LC250.
It is bigger because of its intended use.
The unit in the LC300 is perfect for the LC300 size and possibly going bigger could have a negative effect on the overall package.
The fact of the matter is, the flagship TNGA-F Toyota product is the Land Cruiser 300 GR Sport, followed by the Land Cruiser 300 VX-R/ZX/ZX SAHARA/VX and then the the lower grades of the LC300....
That is the reality.
But if you think the Sequoia is the flagship and sits above the Land Cruiser 300 in the hierarchy then I don't have an issue with that honestly as long as you are happy with that.
Ok between me and you I won't lie I feel a bit stupid arguing about this like its a my dad is stronger than your dad scenario LOL but honestly if you see the interviews with Mike Sweers, he always talk about how Land Cruiser is the standard that influences things. You take that standard then you mould it to the best of your ability/cost saving included to whatever the vehicle is intended to be used as.
Most LC owners don't want an LC300 that is as big as a Sequoia and most Sequoia owners don't want care for a front locker or compromise of space/size in favor of off road performance ...
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It's all metal and paint. The 300 and GX are nearly identical. Both are smaller and lighter build than the Sequoia. That's just what the hardware is. If the GX were called 300 and the 300 were called Prado I think you'd be trying to convince me that the GX was the flagship.
In Japan you can get a LX 600 with lockers on the off road version.
Even the Middle East doesn't get this option on the LX!
Hopefully the US LC gets it too.
as for the flagship argument I think we can let it rest as we reached a dead end, respectfully agree/disagree; etc.
On a side note, man I wish they used the OG rotary locker switch on the 300s, it was half the fun.
The fact we are having the conversation seems to tell me there is room for debate. I’m not all that versed in these boards but I do not recall any previous generation 100/200 being debated in The same room ls the GX/sequoia/4R For flagship status.
I must now go flog my 100 for wasting any more time thinking about this.
I played around in photoshop and finally came up with some settings that highlighted the front and rear lights. I then compared the headlight shapes to the Tri-Beam Headlights on the CarsGuide rendering (from the Plano grapevine). At first I was convinced they had to be tri-beam, like the rendering, however, the more I worked on it, different settings and zooms, you can see, what I believe are round headlight bezels and a round headlight convex protrusion.
To confirm this, I've added closeups of the CarsGuide rendering. You can see with the tri-beam headlights the upper and lower bezels are flat. On the new teaser image you can clearly see a classic chamfered headlight bezel. On the other hand, that chamfer could be a center grill section, like the FJ40 and FJ Cruiser.
If true, this would validate some of the leaks that say the international LC Prado will have the tri-beam headlights and the US LC Prado will have round, retro, 40/70 series headlights. What do you think, confirmation bias or do you agree the images lean towards them being round headlights?
To confirm this, I've added closeups of the CarsGuide rendering. You can see with the tri-beam headlights the upper and lower bezels are flat. On the new teaser image you can clearly see a classic chamfered headlight bezel. On the other hand, that chamfer could be a center grill section, like the FJ40 and FJ Cruiser.
If true, this would validate some of the leaks that say the international LC Prado will have the tri-beam headlights and the US LC Prado will have round, retro, 40/70 series headlights. What do you think, confirmation bias or do you agree the images lean towards them being round headlights?
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Good review, personally the tri-beam have grown on me a lot. I feel like without a good modern reimagination, the round headlights will just look out of place. I've never been a big fan of the FJC and particularly I think it's because the headlights look goofy to me.
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Adding further I really think Lexus nailed the headlight design on the GX. That said if the new LC has either of the following: front locker or split gate I would seriously reconsider my deposit on the GX.
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