2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion
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That is only one box checked. And pretty sure that wouldn't get them to their target of 30K in sales offering a bare bones overweight SUV with a nice motor.
I misspoke on the weigh range, meant mid to high 4K's not where it is with the 300.
It's still wrong on size and weight to work with a more fuel efficient and lighter SUV AND they obviously have something much better to offer!
I hate to even bring it up but how many miles into the Baja1000 did the LX600 make it? Regardless of what happened that is not a good start for a luxury flagship offroad SUV. I dug up the JAOS videos when they were testing it before they put on the blue skins and shipped to Cruiser outfitters. It looked cool and I would love one but just looked top heavy and too big. It's becoming more Hummer'ish or Cadillac than LC.
The Baja 1000 course is entirely on established, graded dirt roads that are traversed daily by local fishermen and ranchers in dilapidated ancient old falling apart pickups (for the most part). Pretty much any vehicle can drive that whole course if they’re careful & take their time. I’ve driven parts of it in it’s entirety over the decades.
Yeah, most of the dirt roads are rough, with wicked washboards, but they are roads that get visited by a grader every once in a while.
The LX 600 could easily drive the course (with a modified front bumper to improve the approach angle), the hard thing about the Baja 1000 is winning the race. That’s the insanity.
Remember when i said a proper bumper wouldn’t happen because of the twin intercoolers and i got told i was talking nonsense? Pepperidge farms remembers.
Well then my guess was accurate! Pat on the back I’ll see myself out and open a beer. Haha
This thread documents a 200 and it’s Baja success. Page through to the 2022 Baja and there are a few posts/pics of the LX600:
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I am shopping and have over thought this to the moon and back. GX or 200 Series. Or wait and see what the new LC/GX will be.
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If its a matter of time, you better get moving and get a nori green blackout GX.
Even if the new one drops it'll be a year or two years probably to get one.
I still say 200 series but not sure your needs.
Every-time i say something a video pops up on youtube.
This is THE prado to have if you want the V8. Regardless of whats coming it will be turbo / turbo-hybrid. While im sure it will improve and be cooler, and better off road, i would buy this updated V8. Just like the ‘16+ LX except i dont think the transmission was changed. But that may also be a win.
This is THE prado to have if you want the V8. Regardless of whats coming it will be turbo / turbo-hybrid. While im sure it will improve and be cooler, and better off road, i would buy this updated V8. Just like the ‘16+ LX except i dont think the transmission was changed. But that may also be a win.
I’ve seen this one along with many of his other videos. Always felt he does a good job not only of driving but also explaining the various features like crawl and MTS and how they work.
You sure? This one was just realized 10h ago.
Talks a lot about the purchase decision.
That was my plan a few months ago but MY23 came and I really don’t like the grey seats.
For the sake of keeping this somewhat relevant to the thread I hope the new GX (Prado/LC) gives us some better approach and departure angles, loses the predator grill, and allows you to package things like MTS/Crawl without getting the top tier trims.
I spoke too soon. Just seen a green GX in the snow and noticed it was Driving Sports TV. He has a couple other videos of him wheeling the GX both in the snow and on his home made course in the woods.
No way the LC/GX will come back larger than the 300. Unless your talking cargo space. The Sequoya and LX are people/ family haulers with all those seats and electronics your naturally going to lose a lot of cargo space and especially payload. If you watch the videos and believe them, Toyota is downsizing and lightening their SUV/ truck lineup. The official LC300 release video from Toyota even states this.
They all will share the somewhat same platform and parts but that doesn't mean they all will be built different and have a sole purpose. The days of the next gen bigger more bloated generation Toyota is done. Want to believe it or not, this is why they dropped the 300 here and did the shift. This is nothing new, Ford started this already in 2019.
It was reported their sales target for the GX/ LC will be in the 30K a year range. This will NOT be a bronco/ Wrangler fighter, again, its a LC and what is once was. A $50K-$100K vehicle meant to compete with the Land Rover, not a weird small ugly looking FJ thing. The 4R will be a lighter, cheaper version with a pop top to compete with the lower range Bronco/ Wrangler. The LC will never see the 100K-200K sales a year the others see. They will leave that to the 4R of FJ or whatever they call it. However I bet it steals a lot of the 4R crowd and get them a larger number than they think. Unfortunately the FJ was killed off here in 98 and likely never associated with the LC again, but not necessarily a bad thing.
The T4 news is a bit disappointing but it paired with the electric rear axle, it kind of makes sense. Hopefully everyone is way off on the 550 powerplant and it is actually a straight T5 diesel hybrid
Dump all the seats with 2 very foldable/ removable 3rd row seats IF that, dump most the unnecessary heavy electronics and your in the high 5K weight range.... Oh and put in that solid front axle Toyota......
This is spot on. The Defender is killing it right now. And the funny thing is, it’s actually more like a newer Discovery, than a “Defender”. Which is what a new smaller LC could be but with reliability!
It’s an amazing vehicle and my wife absolutely loves hers. It’s the best properly sized luxury off roader out there right now. But in true LR form, longevity is unknown with this new model until time passes. Though the build quality out of the new Slovakia factory has has been upped. Only time will tell if that bet pays off. So far it has. Almost 3 years in and no issues…”knocks on wood”
We want the LC though.
Height
LC is -.63” in height than Defender
Width
is deceiving b/c with mirrors the Defender is 82.9” and without mirrors the 300 is 78.3
Length
Defender with no spare is 187”
300 is 197”
Weight
Defender 5,035
300 is 5,700lbs
Ground Clearance
Defender 8.5-11.5” with air susp.
300 is 9.25”
Turning Radius
Defender is 42.1’
300 is 38’ 9”
Wheelbase
Defender 101.9”
300 112.2”
Departure Angles F/R
Defender 38/40
LC 32/25
Interior Space - cargo behind first row
Defender 78.8 (5 seats)
LC couldn’t find this one…
The Defender is a smaller, lighter, & more capable off roader pkg from the factory w/out the reliability of a T. But it’s a GREAT vehicle and drives really easily and feels lighter than it is.
Everything the next LC that comes to the US should resemble. LR is killing it with it and T has to notice this.
It looks way better than a GX also. So to answer your question, Lexus HAS to change the grille and offer a more serious off road pedigree for the GX/Prado/Whatever to be considered a serious off-roader like the Defender is straight from the factory. Appearance and perception is everything. We know a GX can be modified to be great or good enough, but the average consumer spending $60-80k isn’t modifying anything out of fear of breaking a factory warranty.
The 300 is too big.
The GX is a better size to comparable proven off roaders on market already. It just isn’t dressed properly to play well.
LR sold about 10,000 Defenders in 2020 and almost 20,000 in 2021. During COVID uncertainty & supply issues.
So T’s projections of 30,000 for the next LC seems pretty darn similar to me who they’re comparing to…
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