What I usually hear is the foursome of Big tires, triple lockers, disconnect, Live axle (Jeep). I put 35" factory tires at 10% chance, triple lockers 50%, disconnect 20%, but E-KDSS instead, and Live Front Axle 0%. I forgot removable doors and roof.... 0%. Maybe in a future FJ Cruiser.
2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (3 Viewers)
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LOL I have a friend like that too but he also still complains about moving on from vacuum tubes and thinks ABS is the work of the devil to control us. "I learned how to pump the pedal like a real manly man".
All very reasonable and potentially very accurate speculations perfectly suited for a speculation thread. I am not going to tell you to bugger off in the chit chat thread because your speculation isn’t my cup of tea. The fact is, we do not know, as in you do not know and I do not know. We are merely speculating. Let’s give it a week and we’ll all know. OK?
ok that's a bit much haha
They tried to make me go to chit chat but I said no, no, no!
They tried to make me go to chit chat but I won't go, go, go!
No, we will not get 35” tires, a manual transmission, or a diesel engine.
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For me, the Rubicon or similar difficulty Moab trails is where the 4runner starts to really struggle. The 4r can do most of it pretty well with slow careful driving. A bronco or wrangler would be pretty easy in the higher trims. And the 4runner had to make pretty big compromises in comfort and performance to do it. A factory version with a wide ratio 10 speed, more power, 4:1 transfer case, front locker, factory 35s that still drives like as comfortable on the highway as a Ford raptor. That's the dream for me. It's just as much the highway ride quality of having an OEM design and driveability combined with the off-road capability as it is the off-road benefit alone. With the 4runner you really can't do both well. I think it's possible the new lc250 will do both.
With my current family I need a full size truck or SUV either way. So my current case is that id want the top off for a vehicle that's a toy, not a daily driver. Basically my fj40 but with the build quality and durability of the modern vehicles that doesn't require constant maintenance and repair. I just don't have time anymore. And I want to go take the kids to get ice cream with the top off. Or go explore. But I wouldn't want it as my only or primary driver.
If only being able to do most of the Rubicon pretty well is the disqualifying issue for some then I agree that the Toyota may not be the perfect vehicle. Although others managed to soldier on 
I have four completely different vehicles and each is a compromise but I also don’t demand that just one tool be perfect for every job. For me Toyota by far comes the closest to do most jobs very well. The new GX and maybe the 250 seem to come even closer. The old GX is brilliant but for the Lexus plastic, which for me was disqualifying. Now a days I won’t even rent a vehicle without CarPlay and given the option I would absolutely buy something without a front locker over one without CarPlay.
I have four completely different vehicles and each is a compromise but I also don’t demand that just one tool be perfect for every job. For me Toyota by far comes the closest to do most jobs very well. The new GX and maybe the 250 seem to come even closer. The old GX is brilliant but for the Lexus plastic, which for me was disqualifying. Now a days I won’t even rent a vehicle without CarPlay and given the option I would absolutely buy something without a front locker over one without CarPlay.
Not having CarPlay in the 200 sucks big time. It sounds trivial but having had it on every vehicle of mine since 2016 I definitely miss it when it’s not around. And for the “just stick your phone on a mount” voices in the room, I have and it’s not as good or intuitive. One of the benefits of CarPlay for me is keeping my phone in the center console. Out of sight, somewhat out of mind.
Don’t think it trivial at all. Of course we all lived just fine without it but once you have it you never want to go back. Same with things like backup (now 360) cameras.
I have not been on the Rubicon before but I understand the rough part is around ~12 miles long and takes ~5 hours for an experienced driver to complete and ~11+ for a novice. I typically hike at 2 mph on really rough stuff, 3 mph rocky trails, and 3.3 mph on groomed trails. So, a decent estimate would be 4-6 hours to hike the Rubicon - or faster than most drivers
.Just my perspective and why I don't have a Jeep/Bronco etc. Rockcrawling may be fun but it's a slower and more expensive than a pair of hiking boots. I use my rig to get me and my family to the trailhead or the backcountry campsite, not to replace the act of hiking.
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I use nav on my phone all the time. I'd much rather have the nav in CarPlay on a larger screen -- easier to see at a glance.
I have not been on the Rubicon before but I understand the rough part is around ~12 miles long and takes ~5 hours for an experienced driver to complete and ~11+ for a novice. I typically hike at 2 mph on really rough stuff, 3 mph rocky trails, and 3.3 mph on groomed trails. So, a decent estimate would be 4-6 hours to hike the Rubicon - or faster than most drivers
Just my perspective and why I don't have a Jeep/Bronco etc. Rockcrawling may be fun but it's a slower and more expensive than a pair of hiking boots. I use my rig to get me and my family to the trailhead or the backcountry campsite, not to replace the act of hiking.
Definitely a different prospective and I agree with you. A lot of the wheel I've done has been to access areas for hiking, climbing and hunting.
I wheel occasionally with some buddies with nicely built Jeeps. My LC 100 is probably 85% or more as capable. The difference is definitely when it comes crawling and really hard trails. On the other hand, my comfort level is much higher, especially when it comes to long distance travel. I'd load up the 100 tomorrow and drive to Moab. My Jeep buddies all say they don't like diving them longer than 4 hours.
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Nothing like running Soviet Tubes in my American Amp. Old school American Electronics are robust. Mine is all original and about 63 years old. Nevermind that it drinks deoxit
Agreed, we routinely log 11-17 hour days in our GX in comfort, often while towing. And it's more than capable enough for anywhere I need to go. It will still get 33s and lockers in the future, but 100% want-based and completely disconnected from a true need.
I had a diesel Gladiator for a rental last fall. I must say that while the road manners were surprisingly good for a SFA vehicle, there there was really nothing about it that it really did better than my GX (outside of the exceptional fuel economy). I also had a F250 Powerstroke rental last year, and found the overall handling/driving experience to be atrocious.
Seen one myself in the showroom and another on the road recently. Honestly I don’t hate it.
One less cross over/wanna be SUV on the road is a good thing imo.
The closest one is going to get an Avalon sedan at the moment if they don't cross over to a Lexus.
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