2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (3 Viewers)

[VentoGT]

Sub’d for future BSery.
I do know that the sunglasses holder is there but never use it.. hahaha great space for a switch panel. I surprisingly use the little convex mirror a lot to check on the dog. I could see if one had kids it would be very useful.. the old hey quit it back there or I’ll turn this car around..

It's very useful if you have littles in the back and a neat little feature.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Overtrail + version is the most expensive trim based on everything included on it.

Here is a link to the preorder guide for the GX.

https://www.lexus.com/content/dam/lexus/documents/fcv/MY24-Lexus-GX-POG.pdf

I just wish they had a third row in the Overtrail... I have the need for the third row about 30% of the time I use my GX [or Sequoia] which is why I have the 3 rows

I remember reading some place that they actually had bigger plans for the Tundra/Seqouia a separate HD platform @Jetboy I think mentioned this too in the past once.
They eventually had to kill it in favor of going with the LC300 platform and apparently that is where things went south in some ways. Not because the LC300 platform is bad, but because they had other plans that suit the Tundra/Seqouia.

I think the new Seq also actually lost some interior space compared to the outgoing version if I am not mistaken.

Never have I been happier that I jumped on a new 2021 Sequoia TRD Pro than when I saw the spec [and price] of the new one...especially with the cargo capacity

 

[Jetboy]

So with nearly every manufacture only offering either forced induction or hybrid petrol engines for the immediate future does this effectively level the playing field and take away Toyota's reliability calling card? I suppose their turbos and hybrids could end up outlasting the ones from Ford, Jeep, Honda, and/or JLR, BMW, Merc, Audi, on the Lexus side of things. But if these engines are all ticking time bombs after 100k miles or so the only advantage I could see for Toyota might be out of warranty repair cost.

I'm not sure. Toyota's turbo engines have a lot of unique designs that are significantly different from many others. The Toyota turbos are manufactured in-house and have a bit different layout in terms of overall shape, cooling, and oiling. They also run twin scroll turbos instead of variable geometry. That eliminates a whole set of failure prone parts in the reluctor rings and vanes. And the Toyota heads have internal liquid to air heat exchange to cool the exhaust before it reaches the turbo. I don't know how effective that is - but it might be a game changer in terms of reducing turbo temps so well it has a big change in service life. I just don't know without having any idea how much that lowers EGTs and internal turbo temps. If it is the case that the EGTs at the turbo drop down to 700 or 500* max - that would be a true game changer I think. I also have no idea how fast Toyota spins its turbos or what types of engine management is used to prevent damage.

I think the modest power output and poor fuel economy suggest that Toyota is being pretty conservative with boost and fuel mix.

I think it'll take 10 or 20 years before we really know though.

 

[stridertexas]

I love the seating position and dash placement in my LC300.
It is one of the best of any vehicle I have ever been in.

It's really great.

Yeah it was nice, hoping it’s the same for GX

 

[ThRiLlGmYr]

So with nearly every manufacture only offering either forced induction or hybrid petrol engines for the immediate future does this effectively level the playing field and take away Toyota's reliability calling card? I suppose their turbos and hybrids could end up outlasting the ones from Ford, Jeep, Honda, and/or JLR, BMW, Merc, Audi, on the Lexus side of things. But if these engines are all ticking time bombs after 100k miles or so the only advantage I could see for Toyota might be out of warranty repair cost.

For most of my life I never looked at a Toyota or a Lexus because I could not care less about reliability. I owned Jeeps, BMW's, Infiniti's and Hyundai Genesis. Now that I finally do care it would be a shame if they fell off.

 

[M1911]

It's very useful if you have littles in the back and a neat little feature.

I just wish they had a third row in the Overtrail... I have the need for the third row about 30% of the time I use my GX [or Sequoia] which is why I have the 3 rows

I hate the 3rd row in the GX460. I’ve got no use for one and they take up a great deal of space. The 5th gen 4Runner has 80 cu ft behind the first row, but the GX460 only has 60 cu ft, all due to that stupid 3rd row.

I’m very glad that they are going to sell at least one trim of the GX550 without the third row.

 

[Acrad]

There are actually 2 row stock 460 trims in the Eurasian markets.

 

[Specialeyes]

For most of my life I never looked at a Toyota or a Lexus because I could not care less about reliability. I owned Jeeps, BMW's, Infiniti's and Hyundai Genesis. Now that I finally do care it would be a shame if they fell off.

I’ve never kept a vehicle longer than 4 years or 100k miles so reliability shouldn’t matter to me, at least in the long term. Yet nowadays it does because even in the short term I want to know I can count on it. Something else I have come to appreciate with most Toyota products has been that they feel put together nice and tight compared to some of the others (mainly domestic brands)

 

[Specialeyes]

I’ll also admit here and now I just like the brand. I used to like Chevrolet until I didn’t. Now I don’t care for any of their stuff.

 

[ThRiLlGmYr]

I had two Jeeps ('87 Cherokee and '94 Wrangler), which were fun until their cooling systems started giving out. I had two Honda Accords (1987 and 1992) that were nice but boring. I had a BMW ('98 3 Series) that I loved and kept for 10 years. Nothing important ever broke but the sensor's for important things always broke. Then I had an Infiniti (2008 G37) that I loved but I traded it for a Genesis (2013) because I wanted something bigger with a kid on the way. It was a very nice car and I never had any problems with it but it was a lease and its time came. Now I really appreciate Toyota and Lexus and I hope it can stay that way.

To be honest, other than the two Jeeps, most of my cars have been pretty dependable. Knock on wood.

 

[M1911]

I’ve never kept a vehicle longer than 4 years or 100k miles so reliability shouldn’t matter to me, at least in the long term. Yet nowadays it does because even in the short term I want to know I can count on it. Something else I have come to appreciate with most Toyota products has been that they feel put together nice and tight compared to some of the others (mainly domestic brands)

I've only twice sold a vehicle within 4 years and with less than 100k miles on it. That was because those two cars were POS.

My 4Runner I bought new, kept for 13 years and 130+k. Same for my Acura Integra. Only had my LC 200 for about 7 or 8 years now. I sold my 1980 Corolla after 7 or 8 years, can't remember how many miles I had on that.

 

[Specialeyes]

I had two Jeeps ('87 Cherokee and '94 Wrangler), which were fun until their cooling systems started giving out. I had two Honda Accords (1987 and 1992) that were nice but boring. I had a BMW ('98 3 Series) that I loved and kept for 10 years. Nothing important ever broke but the sensor's for important things always broke. Then I had an Infiniti (2008 G37) that I loved but I traded it for a Genesis (2013) because I wanted something bigger with a kid on the way. It was a very nice car and I never had any problems with it but it was a lease and its time came. Now I really appreciate Toyota and Lexus and I hope it can stay that way.

To be honest, other than the two Jeeps, most of my cars have been pretty dependable. Knock on wood.

Ya, same here with most of my cars and trucks. I mean things broke or fell apart but really the only one I owned that had a serious failure was my 2016 Sierra Denali. It had one of their famed clunky transmissions. Traded my Tundra for it which had given me two trouble free years but I got bored with it. (Talk about a backfire lol)

 

[mrlittlejeans]

I love the seating position and dash placement in my LC300.
It is one of the best of any vehicle I have ever been in.

It's really great.

I wish the volume knob was a bit easier to reach on the 600 but I use the steering wheel controls 99% of the time anyway. Other than that, I love the layout.

 

[MeWantLC]

Yes. There is just something about the 4Runner that is hard to define, an x factor, a “je ne sais quoi” that has given it almost cult status. I was in States a few months ago and the streets are literally clogged with 4Runners. It has an odd, rounded shape and, yet, it looks great. In a way, it reminds me of the holy grail Porsche 356: odd, round and sublime. The new 4Runner is sure to be squared off and boxed up, I just hope the Tahara team does not throw the baby out with the bath water.

And you will be even MORE surprised back in 2011 or something, when they came out with the facelift, all the s*** that T4R owners where saying back them about the horrendous front lights etc....

It is a GREAT car.... I can speak because I had 7 of them ... At the end, it is not a LC. It is not meant to be either....

 

[malden]

FFS! I really REALLY wish Toyota offered their diesel engines here but instead of posting about my desires over and over again along with sales numbers for the others who do offer them, I have accept reality as it is because I’m not a child.

Philly, the fat lady has not sung but she is warming up her voice. Everywhere on the forums and blogs, from the so called Plano connection, to @Carmaker1 to David from AP the message has been that the new LC would have a strong Heritage LC40/70 element and be an offroad machine capable of taking on Bronco/Wrangler. We are still a few weeks from the LC reveal and to this day (correct me if I am wrong) we do not know for sure if there will be an equivalent LC TRD Pro kind of a trim with off road use as a target. So we are still speculating at this point and posters advocating for the imagined offroad capability seem perfectly reasonable and perfectly in touch with reality, to do so. In just a few weeks, all will out. We will know for sure. Then the mourning for the lost LC can reasonably begin. Shock will set in. Denial will follow. Grief follows a classic pattern.

I hope all Toyota products are successful even ones that are not in harmony with my own needs. As long as Toyota thrives, maybe one day they will make a product that works for me or for you, if it dies there is zero chance.

And never in a million years would it occur to me to gloat over the fact that brethren Toyota enthusiasts will be denied getting their LC dreams realized! Friendly fire is so inappropriate among teammates, and we are on the same team.

But all the above hardly matters, because Toyota will sell everything they make in the USA with a waitlist and high margins…at least for now.

 

[TheRealDeal124]

To slap a disgusting name like TRD Pro on a Land Cruiser trim would be shameful to many of the long time workers and engineers and executives of the company.

 

[Brown98LC]

I wish the volume knob was a bit easier to reach on the 600 but I use the steering wheel controls 99% of the time anyway. Other than that, I love the layout.

I think the base LC300
is the best interior layout out of all the Toyota 300/lexus 310 range. It is also the most future proof.
I would be able to easily change the screen with aftermarket years after this model is out of production without any issues.

 

[ThRiLlGmYr]

message has been that the new LC would have a strong Heritage LC40/70 element and be an offroad machine capable of taking on Bronco/Wrangler.

What does that even mean other than it will have styling queues from those models? It is easy to say it is going to be capable of taking on a Bronco or Wrangler off road but that doesn't mean it will be anything like them. 1. It will NOT have a live front axle. 2. It may have a front sway disconnect but more likely it will have E-KDSS. 3. Triple lockers is more likely than many things but it still would not surprise me if it doesn't. 4. I HIGHLY doubt it will come with 35 inch tires. I find it HIGHLY unlikely it is that much different than the GX550. From what I hear the most likely difference from the GX is that it will have worse engines.

 

[Phillyd2]

I do also wonder where some need to take their SUV that they can’t now take a 4R. Other than a solid front axle (which is not happening) a modestly moded 4R will go wherever a Wrangler can. I know because a lot of my friends have one. I also had one and it was sort of fun but so is riding a horse – for a while.

A disconnect does make a difference but this new E-KDSS looks to come pretty close to calling it a near draw – all things considered.

Otherwise what specifically does the Bronco or Wrangler have that’s so missed. Or is it just removing doors & roof?

 

[Phillyd2]

Philly, the fat lady has not sung but she is warming up her voice. Everywhere on the forums and blogs, from the so called Plano connection, to @Carmaker1 to David from AP the message has been that the new LC would have a strong Heritage LC40/70 element and be an offroad machine capable of taking on Bronco/Wrangler. We are still a few weeks from the LC reveal and to this day (correct me if I am wrong) we do not know for sure if there will be an equivalent LC TRD Pro kind of a trim with off road use as a target. So we are still speculating at this point and posters advocating for the imagined offroad capability seem perfectly reasonable and perfectly in touch with reality, to do so. In just a few weeks, all will out. We will know for sure. Then the mourning for the lost LC can reasonably begin. Shock will set in. Denial will follow. Grief follows a classic pattern.

I hope all Toyota products are successful even ones that are not in harmony with my own needs. As long as Toyota thrives, maybe one day they will make a product that works for me or for you, if it dies there is zero chance.

And never in a million years would it occur to me to gloat over the fact that brethren Toyota enthusiasts will be denied getting their LC dreams realized! Friendly fire is so inappropriate among teammates, and we are on the same team.

But all the above hardly matters, because Toyota will sell everything they make in the USA with a waitlist and high margins…at least for now.

Not to beat a dead horse but once or three times would have been perfectly reasonable. However we have long passed the exit for obsession.

One only needs to go back to the previous predictions to understand how their only real talent seems to be to use lots of words and innuendos to say nothing.

 

[doublethebass]

I do also wonder where some need to take their SUV that they can’t now take a 4R. Other than a solid front axle (which is not happening) a modestly moded 4R will go wherever a Wrangler can. I know because a lot of my friends have one. I also had one and it was sort of fun but so is riding a horse – for a while.

A disconnect does make a difference but this new E-KDSS looks to come pretty close to calling it a near draw – all things considered.

Otherwise what specifically does the Bronco or Wrangler have that’s so missed. Or is it just removing doors & roof?

a stick shifter. With the new Tacoma powertrains official now, hopefully there's a chance the 4Runner comes with a stick too