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2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion
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So looking at the GX order form, and with the GX coming with EKDSS/etc, is it possible for the LC to have the same suspension setup as the GX550?
It seems like with the sunset teaser photo showing essentially the same vehicle, makes me think there will likely be nothing inherently different from the GX for the LC version…
It seems like with the sunset teaser photo showing essentially the same vehicle, makes me think there will likely be nothing inherently different from the GX for the LC version…
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Was referring to the suspension
It’s possible, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the Toyota suspension is simpler (e.g. no KDSS). They’ve got to decontent the Toyota version somehow to keep it cheaper than the Lexus GX. Time will tell.
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For me - with kids and dogs and lots of outdoor time the cleanability of the seats and interior really is important. And for that - I pretty much only buy leather or fake leather. I really like Softex from Toyota. IMO it's the best seat material I've ever owned. So, I'd definitely pay a bit more for it. In some models it's not a huge bump in price. But in some systems like GM - it ends up bringing the overall cost up quite a bit. I think in the past decade of very low financing rates and most buyers only caring about the monthly payment - it was an easy upsell for the sales people and the market trended really heavily to the high trims.
But the sticker prices also went nuts. Not just the covid inflation, but the cost of a Tahoe from 1990's to the mid 2000's was a big bump. And I think that was one reason for the bump in 4Runner sales - it was much cheaper alternative for a lot of people. A lot of buyers also went to big crossovers instead. The highlanders and Pilots of the world.
I'm not sure that's going to be the future though. Sales are slowing across a lot of models and used car prices are dropping. I suspect there's going to be some pain in the luxury suv market and potentially a return of more base model options and popularity. I guess time will tell.
As far as the side by sides - I don't understand it. I recently bought a Yamaha Rhino due to my pretty heavy constraints - had to be under 1500lbs to be legal here and have 4 seats. Rhinos have a rear seat kit option and stay under weight. A Honda 700-4 was almost a year wait on an order. So I found the best used Rhino I could. It's a toy for short out and back trips only. But it's remarkably capable with little 27" tractor tires in the peat bogs here. And it was under $10k all-in with adding seats and ready to go with trailer included. I don't see the value in a $40k+ UTV. I test drove a Can Am Defender with a full cab, factory A/C, factory heater, and it was wider, longer, and weighs more than a 1980s Toyota pickup. Yes, it has great soft suspension. But it's also obnoxiously loud inside and out, basic seats, poorly sealed, not street legal, only goes about 50mph, and in generally it's not even close to the power or build quality of even a Wrangler or Base model Bronco. A base model 2dr bronco with a sasquatch package is $45k. I can't see any world where I'd even consider the Defender new over the Bronco. For me - I needed to be under 1500lbs so nether were a good option. But it just blew my mind a bit that someone would walk in and buy the Defender given how big, heavy, and compromised it it. I know they're not all $40k, but they sell about a million UTVs per year in the USA.
I said this before in this thread I think - Toyota should not only build a basic BOF offroad wrangler/Bronco type model. But it should also build a unibody convertible offroad model that would be in the same realm as a first generation Rav4 with UTV style suspension and even better if it's capable of running UTV tires and parts. I think there's a real market for that. And it's really a competitor with a 2 door wrangler and 2 door bronco. Those buyers are mostly buying an accessory vehicle, not a daily driver. The 4x4 equivalent of a Miata. Something that's not a $80k sports car that's still fun to drop the top and take the kids to get ice cream or toss on a trailer and go hit the trials. It's everything I use my FJ40 for. But new and doesn't require constant maintenance and repairs. I'd love to have that and a new GX or LC style family wagon. Both serve different purposes. The off road toy version absolutely must have a removeable top though to be viable as an accessory vehicle. If not - I'm going with a wrangler/bronco (in my case my FJ40 I already have).
They guys are guessing that the Non Jeep, Non Bronco, School Bus US LC will only have the 4-cylinder
Shortly after the official teaser for the return of the Land Cruiser nameplate in the US market confirmed the close ties with the Lexus GX, a new report suggests that the two SUVs won’t be sharing all of their powertrain options. More specifically, the Toyota Land Cruiser will be reportedly offered with just four-cylinder engines, leaving the twin-turbo V6 to its Lexus sibling.
A leaked document reveals a trio of 4-cylinder powertrain options. The first one code-named “1GD-FTV” is the 2.8-liter turbodiesel from the Hilux and the Fortuner. The “TJA250” is believed to be a turbocharged 2.4-liter petrol from the Tacoma and the Kluger, that could be part of a hybrid powertrain. Finally, the “2TR-FE” is referring to a naturally aspirated 2.7-liter petrol, likely destined for entry-level models. Notably, the twin-turbo 3.4-liter petrol of the 2024 Lexus GX is missing from the list. Although this doesn’t mean it couldn’t be added later on, its omission could serve as an extra point of differentiation between the two.
2025 Toyota Land Cruiser To Reportedly Stick To Just 4-Cylinder Engine Options | Carscoops
Sounds like the new Land Cruiser will miss out on the twin-turbo V6www.carscoops.com
I think the leak may both be reliable and not an indication of the North America market. The North American market has pretty consistently had larger more powerful engines than other markets. The standard gas v8 in the LC200 was the 4.6 everywhere or almost everywhere outside the USA. And there's basically zero chance it'll have a 150hp 4cyl in the USA. That little 4cyl is probably just fine in parts of the world where the speeds never exceed 45mph. So, I think it is a good indication of the likely engine options for Australia. Probably not an indication of what the USA market will get. However - I would mention that the fact that it has the NA 4cyl and the small diesel suggests that Toyota's plan to differentiate it from the 300 is by putting small engines in it. That may apply more broadly. Still very odd to make an entire second model of the same vehicle just to sell with smaller engines rather than have the full set of optional engines in the LC300. In the last gen where it was a smaller lighter and less expensive vehicle - sure. Now?? I don't get it.
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So in the silhouette picture what is the piece running up to the frame from behind the front wheel that almost looks like a radius arm? I would expect the drive shaft to be higher than that
Looks like the trailing arm to me.
Edited to add: oh, wait, you are talking about the front not the rear. I think that is the transmission / center diff skid plate.
Edited to add: oh, wait, you are talking about the front not the rear. I think that is the transmission / center diff skid plate.
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Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.
The bump at the back part of it looks consistent with the crossmember on the GX/Taco. It does not look like the radius arm mount bracket used on either the rear of the GA-F models or the LC70 front. The front part is odd though for sure. It doesn't match the transmission profile. And it's not really a place that a body panel would go. Maybe a skid plate? But it would be really low. And nothing on the GR Sport hangs down that low or the TRD Pro tundra or Tacoma. So... ??? interesting to see what it is.
Trailing arms for its new solid front axle?
It’s not going to have a solid front axle.Trailing arms for its new solid front axle?
I had to drive my kids quite a bit yesterday and today, between work. I saw so many Wranglers, so many Suburban like SUV's like the Infinity Q80 or whatever is called (the Nissan re-made), also so a few "US LC Prado's", aka Lexus GX's 470's, so many Broncos too. Keep thinking about our discussions here, and thinking about the LC Prados of the rest of the world, the real Prados... Cannot stop to think, these are indeed different times here in USA. We are getting a "real" off road from factory GX now, AND a LC Prado ! Regardless of what we think, discuss, or currently believe these are exciting times for Yota fans here. We might not like the end results, some might not buy a new car and keep the 80's, 100's, or 200's, some might buy something else, but really is exciting to see what the difference would be between LC Prado -first time offered here- vs. GX -offered for years here as a Lexus, when we all know it was an ultra luxury Prado of the rest of the world !-
US & Canada may have been one of the few markets the Prado and GX weren't sold side-by-side unlike certain countries in South America, Central America, Eurasia, GCC, parts of SE Asia and even China until 2017.
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I followed the new Bronco launch pretty closely, because I planned to get my wife one to go along with my ‘75 Bronco. A lot of similar discussions were had leading up to that launch (shouldn’t make a 4-door because a Bronco has 2 doors only, desire for manual transmission, engine choices, etc.). Lots of “I’ll never buy one if they do/don’t do x” threats. They’re selling more than they can make even though the build quality is pretty questionable and the dealers have absolutely been screwing people over in the process. Manuals make up a very small portion of orders, same as they do with Wranglers. 2-door sales have been hampered a little by Ford’s inability to ensure part’s availability for them, but I’d expect the initial bump of enthusiast buys will die down and the take rate for 2-door and manual transmission will fall to around where Wrangler numbers are. It’s a very interesting vehicle (different from the sea of jellybean crossovers) but I’m no longer considering one. They’re too expensive for the “quality” you get. Lots of cheap materials, lots of defects, and they’ve had so many price increases that I’ve lost count, I think 6 or 7 since launch. Oh and don’t forget that the roof is just plastic covered cardboard. Literally. I don’t care about being able to take the top off, the top never comes off my ‘75.
I don’t think the LC is going to be as unique as the Bronco, but I don’t need it to be. It just needs to be well built and reliable for me to be a buyer. Would it be fun to get a stripped down 2-door? Absolutely. I’d love a modern drivetrain with manual locks and windows if I could. Toyota isn’t going to build it because they need big volumes to move the needle. They didn’t sell a lot of Land Cruisers before it was discontinued here because of the price point, but I have no doubt there will be a stronger market for the new one. My biggest question is about the obvious overlap between the LC and 4Runner. Would they shrink the 4R back down to the 4th Gen size to provide a little more differentiation? That’s what I’d do, but it isn’t my decision to make. I’m just excited to see what gets released. We will get a 4R, LC, or new GX, we just have to be able to compare them all.
I don’t think the LC is going to be as unique as the Bronco, but I don’t need it to be. It just needs to be well built and reliable for me to be a buyer. Would it be fun to get a stripped down 2-door? Absolutely. I’d love a modern drivetrain with manual locks and windows if I could. Toyota isn’t going to build it because they need big volumes to move the needle. They didn’t sell a lot of Land Cruisers before it was discontinued here because of the price point, but I have no doubt there will be a stronger market for the new one. My biggest question is about the obvious overlap between the LC and 4Runner. Would they shrink the 4R back down to the 4th Gen size to provide a little more differentiation? That’s what I’d do, but it isn’t my decision to make. I’m just excited to see what gets released. We will get a 4R, LC, or new GX, we just have to be able to compare them all.
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