If it doesn't I don't know what will set it apart from the 4Runner. With the same engines I would probably just buy the 4Runner.
2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (3 Viewers)
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My gut feeling (take it with a pound of salt LOL) tells me that there will be a lot of "feel" and real differences between the T4R and the LC Prado, that would make you want the LC Prado ! Unless they price it near $80k, off course ! 
. One good data point will be once we hear the official price of the GX550.
I really don't understand Toyota, revealing the GX550 ahead of the LC Prado, that to my knowledbe, has been the frist time ever for them to do that ! It had been first the Prado reveal, and then the "USA Luxury Prado, aka, GX" after. Yet again, I dont care ! LOL.
Very exciting times, and the whole GX550, its off road trim, and the upcoming price reveal, followed by a LC Prado US, have me SO excited and so happy, that saved me from betting a Jeep Wrangler (
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. One good data point will be once we hear the official price of the GX550. I really don't understand Toyota, revealing the GX550 ahead of the LC Prado, that to my knowledbe, has been the frist time ever for them to do that ! It had been first the Prado reveal, and then the "USA Luxury Prado, aka, GX" after. Yet again, I dont care ! LOL.
Very exciting times, and the whole GX550, its off road trim, and the upcoming price reveal, followed by a LC Prado US, have me SO excited and so happy, that saved me from betting a Jeep Wrangler (
). Well
to be fair to Toyota..they still make the GRJ71 which is the modern day FJ40.
& if the upcoming 70 series new update for 2024 makes it across the 70 range it'll look even more similar to the FJ40 than the vehicle above.
If you go back to the 200 series, they revealed the LX 570 before the LC 200.My gut feeling (take it with a pound of salt LOL) tells me that there will be a lot of "feel" and real differences between the T4R and the LC Prado, that would make you want the LC Prado ! Unless they price it near $80k, off course !
I really don't understand Toyota, revealing the GX550 ahead of the LC Prado, that to my knowledbe, has been the frist time ever for them to do that ! It had been first the Prado reveal, and then the "USA Luxury Prado, aka, GX" after. Yet again, I dont care ! LOL.
Very exciting times, and the whole GX550, its off road trim, and the upcoming price reveal, followed by a LC Prado US, have me SO excited and so happy, that saved me from betting a Jeep Wrangler (
It is an exciting time to be a BoF Toyota fan, so many options to choose from.
Totally ! But the big difference is / was , that both vehicles were going to be offered here and everywhere. This time, specially for the GX (USA) and Prado, world, very weird they revealed the GX550 ahead of a car that they have never sold in the USA ! LOL
Yes ! I feel like a groupie ! LOL
Yes ! I feel like a groupie ! LOL
Here is another update about the LC being a hardcore competitor. I reached out to my Toyota contact and was given a reasonable explanation.
They said that "If" there is an offroad version:
"it will be every bit as capable as those competitors at a competitive price. Will it have a removable roof and doors? Those might be unreasonable expectations, though I haven't seen/heard anything specific to that point.
The good news is, I found this article, so we don't have long to wait to find out.
- A full reveal of the next-generation Land Cruiser is expected to take place in early August.
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A short wheel base 250 would have been incredibly cool like how they had short wheel base Prado up until the current generation..
Sadly that isn't going to happen but can you imagine how nice the 250 body would have worked as a SWB?
Would have been a decent FJ cruiser replacement too ( I never liked how the FJ cruiser looked but it is one the funnest vehicles to drive off road out of the box in the dunes )...
Sadly that isn't going to happen but can you imagine how nice the 250 body would have worked as a SWB?
Would have been a decent FJ cruiser replacement too ( I never liked how the FJ cruiser looked but it is one the funnest vehicles to drive off road out of the box in the dunes )...
It’s pretty odd that they release the GX, then give a teaser of the exact same vehicle, and say it’ll be 2 months later that we reveal…the exact same car…
just release the damn thing…it’s identical to the GX…
unless this is all a trick! Nay, a trap! It’s a trap!
I’m on the list for a GX now. I need the niceties for my mall crawling.
What happened to the Land Cruiser is what almost happened to the Porsche 911. The current 2023 911 owes its origins to and extends its life in the Porsche range from a 1965 911. 1965 a time frame similar to the FJ40. The 911, while keeping its traditional shape, was modified and improved over the decades but the essential DNA of the vehicle remains immutable. There was, however, a time when an American CEO of the Stuttgart firm decided to end the 911 and replace it with a monstrously ugly thing called the 928. Luckily for 911 collectors and enthusiasts world wide, the Porsche family interceded, fired the CEO and kept the 911 (and in doing so, probably saved their company.) With the 911 firmly in the bank, Porsche went on to innovate, diversify their line with SUV’s, 4dr sedans, and budget models. If in 2024 Porsche announced it was coming out with a new 911, and the thing turned out looking like a Miata, a Celica or any one of half dozen other cars, UNESCO would probably step in to protect the 911 as a vital artifact and cultural icon of humanity.
But when the Toyota CEO, way back when, decided to ditch the FJ40 there was no family defending its forefather’s honor to save it. Imagine for a second what a modern 2023 FJ40 updated and modernized over the decades while keeping the same iconic shape (like the 911) would be like. It would be all the seven wonders of the Offroad world rolled into one. Keeping the FJ40 and modernizing it would not have stopped Toyota from competing in the “station wagon”, “bus” or “van” business and make all manner of suburban friendly SUV yuppie craft just like Porsche diversified its line. It didn’t happen. The FJ 40 was lost. UNESCO did not intercede.
Sadly, for some of us who have driven many hundreds of thousands of miles in the great Toyota off road machines, the sad news of this week was like a large dose of salt in a very open wound, insult heaped onto injury, Many of the readers here, who have probably never even seen an FJ40 much less driven one, only know the station wagon era of Toyota. It’s not their fault that their parents waited forty or fifty years too late to birth them. If one has only been followingToyota the last ten or even twenty years, the badges FJ40 or FJ70 must necessarily have only symbolic as opposed to visceral and physical significance.
So the great warrior Land Cruiser aflame on the sacrificial pyre of mediocrity will make its last slow journey to Valhalla. And if ever there was a more graphic and poignant image of this “Twilight of the Gods” passage it is Toyota’s own resplendent and apocalyptic teaser. To the victor goes the spoils and a spoiled Land Cruiser is your prize. But the memory of greatness is never vanquished and will remain in the hearts of many of us.
Land Cruiser RIP.
But when the Toyota CEO, way back when, decided to ditch the FJ40 there was no family defending its forefather’s honor to save it. Imagine for a second what a modern 2023 FJ40 updated and modernized over the decades while keeping the same iconic shape (like the 911) would be like. It would be all the seven wonders of the Offroad world rolled into one. Keeping the FJ40 and modernizing it would not have stopped Toyota from competing in the “station wagon”, “bus” or “van” business and make all manner of suburban friendly SUV yuppie craft just like Porsche diversified its line. It didn’t happen. The FJ 40 was lost. UNESCO did not intercede.
Sadly, for some of us who have driven many hundreds of thousands of miles in the great Toyota off road machines, the sad news of this week was like a large dose of salt in a very open wound, insult heaped onto injury, Many of the readers here, who have probably never even seen an FJ40 much less driven one, only know the station wagon era of Toyota. It’s not their fault that their parents waited forty or fifty years too late to birth them. If one has only been followingToyota the last ten or even twenty years, the badges FJ40 or FJ70 must necessarily have only symbolic as opposed to visceral and physical significance.
So the great warrior Land Cruiser aflame on the sacrificial pyre of mediocrity will make its last slow journey to Valhalla. And if ever there was a more graphic and poignant image of this “Twilight of the Gods” passage it is Toyota’s own resplendent and apocalyptic teaser. To the victor goes the spoils and a spoiled Land Cruiser is your prize. But the memory of greatness is never vanquished and will remain in the hearts of many of us.
Land Cruiser RIP.
Well said ! 
My mother never had money for a car, let a lone a FJ40... but the neighbor of the house my mom rented to sub rent and make some little cash, he was an older guy that had a "tienda" (little grocery shop) and bought his produce from the "Plaza Mayor" and to move his produce, he needed a reliable car, he had a FJ40. Used, abused, dusted, probably rusted too, I dont remember.... but I do remember asking him permission to jump in and play "with that big handle (the shift gear)" and with the "movable mini doors" (the kick vent doors), and the opposite side seats in the back... So no, I never had the chance to own one or my family, but I forever dreamt to own one and drive one to Valhalla and back... Unfortunately in 2024, with two kids and being a single dad, a 1970 car is not safe in the USA HWY's, so a modern one must be...
LC Prado, please come sooon !
PS: the 911 is a great story -ask me, have 4 books at home-, but it was actually the Cayenne that saved the company, for what I have read. Yes, I have had two 911's ('86 and '82) and shouldn't had sold either. Yes, sadly there was not Toyota family to save the FJ40, and on top of that, we cannot get what other markets get here, more modern "old" style versions of Yotas.
My mother never had money for a car, let a lone a FJ40... but the neighbor of the house my mom rented to sub rent and make some little cash, he was an older guy that had a "tienda" (little grocery shop) and bought his produce from the "Plaza Mayor" and to move his produce, he needed a reliable car, he had a FJ40. Used, abused, dusted, probably rusted too, I dont remember.... but I do remember asking him permission to jump in and play "with that big handle (the shift gear)" and with the "movable mini doors" (the kick vent doors), and the opposite side seats in the back... So no, I never had the chance to own one or my family, but I forever dreamt to own one and drive one to Valhalla and back... Unfortunately in 2024, with two kids and being a single dad, a 1970 car is not safe in the USA HWY's, so a modern one must be...
LC Prado, please come sooon !
PS: the 911 is a great story -ask me, have 4 books at home-, but it was actually the Cayenne that saved the company, for what I have read. Yes, I have had two 911's ('86 and '82) and shouldn't had sold either
. Yes, sadly there was not Toyota family to save the FJ40, and on top of that, we cannot get what other markets get here, more modern "old" style versions of Yotas.While I like what I am seeing with GX and LC teasers, its really going to come down to price point in relation to its peers.
I think if the new LC with lockers and turbo charged v6 is priced at the same 60k price point as the Badlands and wrangler, I'm a buyer. If they come in 5k higher, thats starting to become a hard sell as I know that the LC is going to need around 5k in wheels and tires.
The new LC really needs to turnkey or pretty close to turnkey at 60k.
Look, as much as I like flexing on the poors, at a certain price point, there are just things that are more interesting.
Here is another update about the LC being a hardcore competitor. I reached out to my Toyota contact and was given a reasonable explanation.
They said that "If" there is an offroad version:
"it will be every bit as capable as those competitors at a competitive price. Will it have a removable roof and doors? Those might be unreasonable expectations, though I haven't seen/heard anything specific to that point.
The good news is, I found this article, so we don't have long to wait to find out.
- A full reveal of the next-generation Land Cruiser is expected to take place in early August.
The Reborn Toyota Land Cruiser Could Be The Right SUV At The Right Time - The Autopian
The temperatures are hot and so is the car news! Welcome to this Thursday, July 6 edition of The Autopian’s morning news roundup. On deck today: a new Toyota Land Cruiser is (finally) coming, Stellantis (also finally) has ambitious EV platform plans, China’s car industry has America in a...
I am curious what they feel that Hardcore means? Are we talking about a badlands or wrangler package, or are we talking about the Bronco raptor and Rubicon 392?
I feel that Toyotas idea of hardcore is 33 inch tires instead of 31 inch tires, but would not be surprised to see this "hardcore" LC priced like it was a raptor or hemi.
Carmaker1, the source of the original "hardcore" leak, is pretty worked up about the teaser images, below are his posts from other forums.
To me, one of two things seem clear:
1) We have not seen the hardcore offroad LC model yet and hopefully we will at the reveal in early August.
or
2) Toyota's marketing is overly enthusiastic with equal parts spin and wishful thinking thrown in.
Toyota Land Cruiser Megathread (300, 250, Prado, etc)
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Car Chat - The Land Cruiser Returns (Teaser) - https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtasgURO6UO/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== The first teaser for the USDM Land Cruise has been posted on Instagram! Of course, the model itself isn't teased, just the return and logo. But starting this thread for discussion!
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Based on Toyota NA's past performance I'm inclined to believe that the chances of them offering a model that has flashing lights and a red/white stop sign that flips out on the left side are greater than a version that competes with Bronco/Jeep segment which has demonstrated high demand from consumers in the US.
I'm sure it will be a lovely, comfortable, reliable school bus errrrr SUV
Thanks to some additional input from users on toyota-4runner-org, I've updated my images one last time until the reveal. The possible explanations get confusing, @BlackWatch pointed out the darker photo may be the heritage grill with Toyota spelled out and the lighter image protrusion may be the Toyota emblem. However, the lighter image side shadows seem to me to better match the round headlight concept. Further confusing matters as far as the light vs dark images, looking at closeups of the body we get some additional new insight from @CArunnerz. He pointed out the two sizes of B-C Pillar Vertical Window Splits, see my image below of them.
I then realized there are also possibly two styles of mirrors, one Square Folding Side Mirrors and the second A-Pillar Mounted Side Mirrors. I'm thinking the lighter image has the GX style side mirrors and this is what we will see on the US LC. Now the darker image with the A-Pillar Mounted Side Mirrors could be a lower trim or it could be the international Prado version. Of course, it is possible the differences may simply be due to the angle the photo or image was taken at, can't wait for the reveal in early August to find out.
I then realized there are also possibly two styles of mirrors, one Square Folding Side Mirrors and the second A-Pillar Mounted Side Mirrors. I'm thinking the lighter image has the GX style side mirrors and this is what we will see on the US LC. Now the darker image with the A-Pillar Mounted Side Mirrors could be a lower trim or it could be the international Prado version. Of course, it is possible the differences may simply be due to the angle the photo or image was taken at, can't wait for the reveal in early August to find out.
The 40 series was never lost, its successor the 70 series is arguably even more of an icon now and has been doing excellent work in rough environments for over 35 years non stop.
The legend continued don't worry about that, you can't compare the 911 situation to this because the 70 series is a pure and true to form successor of the 40 series, they just never sold it in the US.
Also to me and many others who grew up with station wagon LC as the main family rigs that we went to school with in the morning and to the desert on the weekends and 70 series as the farm rigs we can appreciate different cruisers.
I don't consider one more cruiser than the other.
I'll give you an example, I own a 300 series with triple lockers that can pretty much go any place a 70 series can go but with more comfort. Trust me it is not 1% less cruiser than a 70.
However we will have different perspectives because its equal to us coming from alternate realities.
I came from a reality where the 40 series progressed into the 70 series and is still available today brand new.
So I respect your opinion and how you see the matter and totally understand it.
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Thank you for the very measured and civil response.
Yes, my perspective is very different. I owned a FJ40 and drove it for ten years before a drunk driver smashed it up. Today, I own many cars including three vintage 911s, but my favorite, and some people tease me by saying I love the thing more than my wife, is a vintage FJ70. I have over 500K kilometers on the counter of this FJ70 and I expect to get another 500K easily so I am not in the market for a new Toyota. As much as I love the FJ70 I would not compare it favorably to the FJ40. And I do not agree with you that the FJ70 is a continuance of the FJ40 in the way the 911 was continued. My big disadvantage here compared to you is that I have extensive real life experience behind the wheel of both vehicles.
From my 2o years experience driving the FJ70 I have found, in the circumstances and terrain I drive in, no other 4WD that can keep up with me And I have had to tow or seen towed every manner of Defender, Range Rover, Mitsubishi, Nissan, and yes, even modern Land Cruisers that tried. One of the great Achilles’s heel of these heavy (though comfortable onroad cars), and especially when they are made even heavier by cargo and kit, comes in heavy mud and steep inclines. That tends to be one of the terrains among others where we have to call in the tractors to get them out. So you might very well be able to keep up with my light, 88 hp FJ70 in your Land Cruiser and I believe you. It’s just that I have never seen such a thing happen in real life. I expect you might be a better pilot than those I had to tow.
My imagining an FJ40 continued and improved over time like the 911 was a flight of fancy, a day dream. The Land Cruiser is dead, long live the Land Cruiser! I believe its time is limited though. There is just too much competition in the station wagon segment, at lower cost, equal performance and greater comfort.
We are living the deciding moment in Toyota’s offroad vehicle history but unlike the Porsche family back when, the execs at Toyota backed down and cowered. History will show that they will live to decry this lack of belief in and their total renunciation of sacred Heritage. In Japanese culture, this raw display of cowardice is almost a mortal sin and there are Samurais spinning in their graves as we speak.
I sincerely hope I am dead wrong about everything I have written. But even if you tell me I am, it won’t comfort me or reconcile me with my own life experience. In any case, I wish you millions of miles of safe and pleasant driving and don’t let a drunk driver near your treasured LC!
What website is this data from, it looks interesting?The fit and finish and production quality on the new Tundra was so poor that I declined to buy a Tundra I had planned to buy after seeing it in person and driving it. I'm not sure how much of that to chalk up to new model and covid issues. But, it was not good. And that was obvious stuff I could see on a new vehicle without any special effort investigating. It wasn't Tesla bad, but it was surprising to say the least. If it wasn't brand new - I would have been sure it was at a minimum a respray on parts of the paint.
It's a sample size of one. The older Tundra I bought instead is much better in that respect. Paint still kinda sucks, but it's consistently heavy orange peel across all the panels.
In terms of long term reliability - Sequoia beats Land Cruiser in the only long term large sample size data set I know of. It's not very good data due to the low LC volumes. I don't think they even score the LC200 because the sample population is too low. Not sure how much weight to put on it. But the Tacoma and 4Runner are practically identical. And the Lexus LX scores slightly below the Sequoia - but probably close enough to be in the margin of error. It's only a sample population of 2230 LX and around 10,000 Sequoias.
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