I find it strange in the press release they don't state it. I wonder if someone put something on the website they should not have.
I've seen a lot of estimates floating around of 26mpg for the Taco, so this falls in line.
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I've seen a lot of estimates floating around of 26mpg for the Taco, so this falls in line.
Apparently the body is narrower but the fender flares are larger on the GX/LC 250, making the overall width the same.
For the record, I was not referring directly to you.
However, there are others who are directly in the crosshairs of my snark.
Very interesting video to watch with Google Lens on the other hand to translate everything x)
Did anyone else look in vain last night after the Global 9pm EDT reveal for the promised Toyota USA 9:20 p.m. EDT Reveal?
Well, someone could not tell the difference between am and pm and they released it at 9am this morning.
Well, someone could not tell the difference between am and pm and they released it at 9am this morning.
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What an absolute noob
Who’s gonna be the guy to put a Tacoma manual into a Land Cruiser 1958
If it is an all-around utility vehicle with a premium price - it needs to pull moderate sized trailers well. It's a truck with extra seats. It's not heavily off road skewed like the wranglers and broncos. If it doesn't do anything more than people mover and car camping - what's the value proposition? I can do that in a subaru (that will incidentally also have more ground clearance and cargo volume). What distinguishes the LC is the increased ability to haul and tow. I don't care if it has a .5 second faster 0-60. If that's all I get from the hybrid in trade for weight and cargo area obstruction - I'd rather not have the hybrid.
I have a variety of trailers for boats and toys. I do have a sailboat, but no bay boat. Sailboat is actually pretty easy to pull with about anything with a hitch. The 22 foot travel trailer has the most drag at highway speeds of anything I pull regularly even though it's a lot lighter weight than a loaded cargo trailer. It's only about 5500lbs fully loaded, but the box is just a giant parachute back there. I pulled it around 8k miles last year. I sold my 4Runner in part because it pulled that trailer okay, but really wasn't powerful enough to do so comfortably over long distance. I'd take it a few hundred miles. But anything longer than maybe 500 miles was multiple days and really too far for the 4Runner. On the other hand the LC200 will pull that trailer easily. As would the GX550 or the Sequoia. The new LC might do it as well. We'll see when the tacos start hitting the street.
The difference is in the front and rear overhangs, the LC 250 has shorter front and rear overhangs for better approach and departure angles.
This doesn't sound like someone that has ever used a nice tow vehicle to tow something heavy. What something "can" do and what its good at are two different things.
Example:
- I'd use one of these to tow a bass boat around when I visit home. Its flat there and its going to be no biggy towing 3k lbs around between lakes.
- Would I use this to tow a camper that weighs ~5k lbs around here in AZ and go on trips through the Rocky Mtn West? Not in a million years. Thats dumb.
The only TNGA vehicle actually designed with towing in mind is the Tundra, it has the wheelbase and weight. Sequoia would be better for your needs as a cross over tow vehicle / SUV, IMPO.
I wish - but that Tacoma 6MT is non-hybrid only
wow good eye - the front is really noticeable
Lots of people on here reporting using GX470s, GX460s, and V8 4Runners to tow 4,000-5,500# campers through the Rocky Mountains. I have a 4,000# (loaded) low-profile camper, have pulled it thousands of miles with my GX, and plan to pull it out west in a couple of years (after a 4.56 regear). I routinely tow it 70 mph around here on the highway and pull some very steep hills (10-15% grades) and have pulled it as far as 700 miles in a single day. With a dialed WDH and tranny upgrades they pull very well, and I get 11-14 mpg.
FWIW, we passed on 4-5,000# non-collapsible campers specifically because I wouldn't be comfortable pulling that out west with my GX, although other people report good experiences pulling similar campers with theirs.
Assuming the hybrid works out OK, the LC250 should (at least on paper) be a better tow vehicle due to better low-end torque coupled with a similar overall size to the 120/150 platform vehicles.
It wasn't that long ago that a typical 3/4 ton truck had less power, less weight, and smaller brakes than a current 4Runner. And it pulled my camper just fine except for the power up the passes. I don't need a class 8 truck to pull a bass boat. But I'd like a midsize BOF suv with 325hp/479 tq to pull like a midsize BOF SUV with those numbers should. That's all. Otherwise I'd rather have the space and weight. I'm not sure that's too much to expect. My first choice would simply be to make a PHEV with a 10kwh battery pack so it would perform like the numbers suggest. Especially if it's marketed as having comparable power to a TTV6 Ranger or Colorado that either would comfortably pull the same trailer.
I also own a Tundra. Prior to that I had powerstroke F250. I had a GM 5500 for about a decade when I was routinely pulling heavy trailers (incidentally - MSRP is still cheaper today with a Duramax than the new Land Cruiser). Not sure if any of those count as nice tow vehicles - but they all pull and haul stuff pretty well. * asterisk for the Ford that it pulled well when it wasn't broke down.
The 4Runner pulled it adequately. I'd think the Turbo 2.4 would do better, especially at elevation. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be expected to tow small camp trailers.
I see it in the front. I don't really see it in the back.
FWIW - I have done this. In a GX. Weighed about 5500. Was not collapsible. It sucked. And I also have towed such trailers with half tons - and tbh not even the half tons are incredibly fun between here and Flagstaff. Take that drive any day, and watch everyone in their half tons and campers slowing down traffic to a crawl. Pull that same trailer with a 3/4 ton, even an older one. Its easy-peasy. Newer 3/4 and 1 tons HAUL.
You guys can do whatever you want. Personally, my tow vehicle (when I had one) could tow. I wasn't slowing down traffic, I wasn't tired as hell from the toll it took pulling the trailer.
tampacruiser95
Upgrades are coming.
It's pretty close to a modern poverty pack...
Thats a big boy truck. I had a 4runner as well, sucked to tow with also, so apparently we are at different ends of the spectrum here.
The warranty and particularly the battery coverage.
Must be some confidence in it.
Limited Warranty
Toyota’s 36-month/36,000 mile basic new-vehicle warranty applies to all components other than normal wear and maintenance items. Additional 60-month warranties cover the powertrain for 60,000 miles and against perforation from corrosion for 60 months with no mileage limitation. Hybrid-related components that require repairs needed to correct defects in materials or workmanship are covered for 8 years/100,000 miles, whichever comes first from original date of first use when sold as new. The hybrid battery is covered for 10 years/150,000 miles, whichever comes first, and is transferable across ownership.
Must be some confidence in it.
Limited Warranty
Toyota’s 36-month/36,000 mile basic new-vehicle warranty applies to all components other than normal wear and maintenance items. Additional 60-month warranties cover the powertrain for 60,000 miles and against perforation from corrosion for 60 months with no mileage limitation. Hybrid-related components that require repairs needed to correct defects in materials or workmanship are covered for 8 years/100,000 miles, whichever comes first from original date of first use when sold as new. The hybrid battery is covered for 10 years/150,000 miles, whichever comes first, and is transferable across ownership.
Not my experience at all with my trailer - last trip was pulling it 65-75 mph down 4-lane highways all day. Somewhat hilariously passed a number of diesel trucks pulling larger campers. FYI, I've towed with pre-emissions Cummins trucks and gas F250s as well.
My trailer, empty, is 48% of the tow capacity of my GX. Loaded it is 62%. I also have headers, upgraded transmission valve body, exhaust, and TC lockup switch. Can't wait til it gets 4.56 gears so I can use the cruise control more (use it about half-time now). Most tow vehicles are going to suck when you get up to 80, 90, 100% of their rated capacity. I would not want to tow a 5,500# camper with a GX any more than I would want to tow a 9,200# camper with a Tundra. You were towing too big of a camper with your GX. I specifically sized my camper to avoid that.
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