Interesting speculation that with the LC250 release the 4Runner will move to be slightly smaller, Tacoma based, shorter wheel based, more off road oriented and less expensive. That sounds more like the vehicle I want than the LC250!
2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (2 Viewers)
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I think the 6th gen 4Runner will be cheaper than the LC250 but it won't be cheaper than the 5th gen 4Runner. The GX550, which should be the same size as the LC250, is 3 inches longer and 2 inches wider than the 5th gen 4Runner. The 6th gen 4Runner will have the same two engine options as the taco and it sounds like the LC250 as well. Maybe they are planning overlapping price structures.
6th gen 4Runner - $42,000 - $60,000
LC250 - $55,000 - $70,000
Sequoia - $60,000 - $75,000
GX550 - $67,000 - $80,000
Still doesn't make sense to build the next 4Runner in Tahara if it's a clone of the Taco and only sold in the Americas. The LC250 could take over the production space from the 4Runner then move 4Runner to the taco factory and save on shipping and parts sharing.
6th gen 4Runner - $42,000 - $60,000
LC250 - $55,000 - $70,000
Sequoia - $60,000 - $75,000
GX550 - $67,000 - $80,000
Still doesn't make sense to build the next 4Runner in Tahara if it's a clone of the Taco and only sold in the Americas. The LC250 could take over the production space from the 4Runner then move 4Runner to the taco factory and save on shipping and parts sharing.
No, that is not what they were going by. This was their claim:
"I am just saying that if they price the "US" Prado as its priced in all other markets, which is Mid 30's, I think it has a place in this market to compete against something like a Cherokee. which starts at 37."
I have no idea where these $35k Prados are.
One thing worth noting.
If this thing branches off separately from thr light duty family and the Prado name is removed globally.
It may bump the price from previous prados. It technically is the successor of the Prado but wouldn't actually be a Prado in a sense.
Let's wait and see.
If this thing branches off separately from thr light duty family and the Prado name is removed globally.
It may bump the price from previous prados. It technically is the successor of the Prado but wouldn't actually be a Prado in a sense.
Let's wait and see.
Anyone have any thoughts if 17" wheels will fit over the rotors/calipers on the GX? I was just looking at some videos and the rotors look HUGE compared to my 4Runner. I'm sure some of you have seen the GX in person.
So many 17 inch wheels already fit the 300 from companies like braid/method. Check the 300 section.
These fit without any issues
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I see so many Land Cruisers and LX with Braid wheels here in Qatar. You can run 17s without any mods and they have good fitment. They come in different designs and colors. I think its +30 offset.
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The base 17 inch 300 steel wheels won't clear the front of the higher spec 300 though.
Same I assume wjll be the case of base 250 steel wheels on higher spec 250.
So just keep that in mind.
Aftermarket wheels should be fine if it fits the 300 without issues.
I was thinking along the same lines. It's really difficult to tell based on the preproduction pictures and videos I've seen of the GX so far, the rotors just look huge. On the Overtrail it looks like the the calipers are millimeters away from the inside of the wheel. I know FN has made a new version of the BFD's (+20mm offset) specifically for the new Tundra and Sequoia, maybe these will fit?So many 17 inch wheels already fit the 300 from companies like braid/method. Check the 300 section.
These fit without any issues
LX 600 Aftermarket Wheel Choices
I see so many Land Cruisers and LX with Braid wheels here in Qatar. You can run 17s without any mods and they have good fitment. They come in different designs and colors. I think its +30 offset.
The base 17 inch 300 steel wheels won't clear the front of the higher spec 300 though.
Same I assume wjll be the case of base 250 steel wheels on higher spec 250.
So just keep that in mind.
Aftermarket wheels should be fine if it fits the 300 without issues.
I like to drive on the beach so the very first thing I do will be pulling off the 20's from the premium model and purchasing 17's or 18's with A/Ts.
I'm not sure how much smaller it would end up being as a Tacoma SUV. New Taco is the same track width as lc300 and lc250 in the offroad trims. It shares the same rear axle at least. Probably all the same running gear. But the body is narrow - a lot like the gx550. Door to door width looks visually very similar to the new Tacoma as does the center stack width. So they might be the same. The GX550 may be a Tacoma SUV of sorts. Or the Tacoma is a LC250 truck? Whatever we call it - I think they are very close cousins.
4r could stick with a 2 inch shorter wheelbase. Or have a shorter body on the same 112 wheelbase. I'd like to see better angles that a shorter body would offer - but the rear is tough to do. Unless you move the spare out from underneath, it requires about 40 inches from rear axle to rear bumper to have room for the tire plus a cross member plus clearance for the rear track bar. The current 4Runner and LC250 both look about as short of rear end as you can make it with a spare underneath. And if you move to the back, then you kinda have to go to a door instead of a hatch or have an inconvenient rear double opening setup. So that only really leaves room to shorten the front overhang a few inches. I think that would be a very welcome change and there's plenty of dead space up to lop off.
What I think would make sense in the market is to downsize even more. Toyota presumably will continue the Fortuner line. That would be a better fit size wise to reskin as a 4runner. And then the t24a might be the right engine as well. Drop it down to a small size 105" wheelbase like the 3rd gen 4Runner size. That makes a clear differentiation between the two. Not sure it'll happen. But that would justify having a new 4Runner be a 2 row only that start at $35-40k and it could be more off-road capable with the smaller footprint and potentially bigger tires, better hp/weight, and compete not directly but a lot closer to the Bronco/Wrangler market. If they go with the tacoma TRD Pro or Trailhunter as a base - it just ends up the same thing as an LC250.
I think the Tacoma Trailhunter may end up being the best Toyota platform for all around adventure travel if it is functionally a long wheel base LC250 with more space, more cargo capacity. If the cabin is more comfortable and has better seating position and more rear seat legroom - it may be the surprise winner of all of these new models.
Maybe the differentiation between 4runner and Land Cruiser will be 2 vs 3 row and shorter wheelbase? I could see the land cruiser positioned as the more capable in terms of cargo/payload/towing.
I looked for some dimensions for the new tacoma vs GX550 but couldn't easily find numbers listed anywhere.
I looked for some dimensions for the new tacoma vs GX550 but couldn't easily find numbers listed anywhere.
Would you imagine some kind of 5 dr vehicle as short and compact as this? A trucklette like this would sell well in EU just like the JImney does. Its size would make it easy to park and drive in confined urban spaces, city centers and still be a ball offroad.
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Probably not that compact. But a BMW X3 has a longer wheelbase than an LC300 and is 10 inches shorter overall. The Defender 110 is the same length overall as a LC300 but has a 119" wheelbase. Doesn't look out of proportion to me for either of those. Even the current 4Runner is 2 inches shorter wheel base and 6 inches shorter body. Wouldn't look out of proportion to keep the same 190" body length with the front axle moved 2" forward.
It won't be that small, thank goodness.
I don't think we have official specs yet. But the engineer said the off road models were 3 inches wider than the outgoing model track width and overall width IIRC. Current track width is 64-64.5 and overall width is 75". So, that puts the '24 at 67 and 78 respectively. And they share the 9.5" rear axle and front is unknown at this point. But conveniently - that's the same track width as the LC300 and GX550 and same overall width. Combine that with the shared platform and it sure looks like they'll be sharing very similar rolling chassis. If you build a 4Runner on that same 78" width as the off road models, it's hard to see how it ends up any smaller unless you make it shorter.
And if you look at the interior, the taco and GX550 start to look pretty darn similar in width inside. Probably not identical, but close.
I have no idea. My guess is that it will be made. The Maverick is a huge success. And Toyota seems to have a pretty high rate of conversion from concept to product. So, I'd guess it will be made. I'm not sure what size it ends up. Is it Rav4 size? Smaller like a Corolla cross? I can't imagine it being as big as a Highlander base size.
What would make it really amazing - and will never happen sadly - is to base it on the GA-L platform. Longitudinal engine, rear drive based, awd. Basically, make an IS200 or whatever the base model Lexus IS is now in a small SUV form with long travel IFS/IRS. The platform is begging to be used as an SUV. It's what should be under the RX350 IMO. It would do really well in a product like this where it would have potential to be a legitimate mini offroad monster. But in the real world it'll end up as something like a corolla cross with angular styling.
Have you been around softex? It's better than leather IMO. In a rational world, it would cost more than leather - it's softer and more elastic, lasts longer, requires no maintenance, easier to clean, etc. It does everything leather does - only better.
You know I feel this retro phase is nice and all, but I am also looking forward to futuristic designs now going forward.
Hopefully they can focus on that with the LC300 in future facelifts.
It is nice to look back at heritage but also to break the cycle and go forward.
I guess we have been stuck in a mediocrity of soap bar bubble shaped vehicles for a while and the retro fad is a nice change.
I also hope it isn't a lazy excuse not to innovate for the future.
I think this retro phase will be followed with some revolutionary stuff in the next decade (2030s). Exciting times ahead.
Hopefully they can focus on that with the LC300 in future facelifts.
It is nice to look back at heritage but also to break the cycle and go forward.
I guess we have been stuck in a mediocrity of soap bar bubble shaped vehicles for a while and the retro fad is a nice change.
I also hope it isn't a lazy excuse not to innovate for the future.
I think this retro phase will be followed with some revolutionary stuff in the next decade (2030s). Exciting times ahead.
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