2021 LC200 w/20K ODD Oil Sample Analysis?

[WHB III]

I have a 2021 Toyota Land Cruiser that I purchased brand new with around 5 miles on it. I changed the oil once at 750 miles with a OEM Toyota Filter & Mobil1 0W20, and second time at 10k with the same filter & oil. I recently drained the oil and took a sample from the oil that had roughly 9000 miles of use on it and sent it to Blackstone, the reports and their comments seem to show abnormal wear. I am hoping that this is all still just break in metals and will get better or level off with time. I am not too concerned about it as it is under warranty & I have no plans to sell it but thought the folks here might find it interesting.

 

[gasman4u]

Which Oil Filter Would You Rather Use?(TRD/OEM)

The TRD filter has a higher collapse resistance and improved filtering life at the same micron level as the base paper filter. The TRD design is also used by Mobil 1 synthetic filters., yet the Toyo TRD brand can tidally be found cheaper online.

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another data point in this thread for UOA from Blackstone. '21 as well.

 

[manofthewoods]

I have a 2021 Toyota Land Cruiser that I purchased brand new with around 5 miles on it. I changed the oil once at 750 miles with a OEM Toyota Filter & Mobil1 0W20, and second time at 10k with the same filter & oil. I recently drained the oil and took a sample from the oil that had roughly 9000 miles of use on it and sent it to Blackstone, the reports and their comments seem to show abnormal wear. I am hoping that this is all still just break in metals and will get better or level off with time. I am not too concerned about it as it is under warranty & I have no plans to sell it but thought the folks here might find it interesting.

I'm expecting my first Blackstone report (for my 200) with-in a day or two. Mine had ~47k miles, but I change the oil at 5,000.
fingers crossed. I'll report here if there's anything noteworthy.

 

[bloc]

I understand that the book says 10k OCI is acceptable but personally I would not be pushing it that far. 5-7.5k seems to be the sweet spot.

 

[Artie]

So I don’t know if this will muddy the waters or not but my last, and only so far, report is below. Mine is a ‘21 that went from factory to mod shop before I even laid eyes on it and when I did get it there were 500 miles on it. First oil change was at 3k with 0W30 and next change was 5700 miles later. The report below was from the 2nd oil change. My copper is almost double yours but if you read through the comments on mine there is no cause for alarm, according to them. Either I’m way more screwed than you are and the comments are disconnected from reality or you’re inferring too much negative connotation into yours which is the main failure of texts versus verbal communication.

I aim for 6500 intervals. Currently mine has 13,402 calculated miles and that oil change was done at 8771. I’ll be changing agin before a major trip in June and running another oil analysis and I can report back if you are interested.

 

[paulunm]

I posted mine in this thread, I don't exceed 5k changes. Many more miles, so I'd agree these are break in wear metals.

Loud tick after some shenanigans…

I did just look up the history on Lexus.Driver’s website. I forgot you could do that. Seemed like normal intervals up to around 150k miles. Then never taken back to a Lexus dealer until I shipped mine down there for the seatbelt recall (putting in the wrong color 🙄) w/ 196k miles. Spark plugs...

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[manofthewoods]

I have a 2021 Toyota Land Cruiser that I purchased brand new with around 5 miles on it. I changed the oil once at 750 miles with a OEM Toyota Filter & Mobil1 0W20, and second time at 10k with the same filter & oil. I recently drained the oil and took a sample from the oil that had roughly 9000 miles of use on it and sent it to Blackstone, the reports and their comments seem to show abnormal wear. I am hoping that this is all still just break in metals and will get better or level off with time. I am not too concerned about it as it is under warranty & I have no plans to sell it but thought the folks here might find it interesting.

here is my report I just got hot off the press. My average oil change is ~5,300 miles, OEM filter.
I still have a stockpile of 0w-20 that I got at closeout. When that runs out, I'll probably go to 5w-30.

 

[LCH21]

here is my report I just got hot off the press. My average oil change is ~5,300 miles, OEM filter.
I still have a stockpile of 0w-20 that I got at closeout. When that runs out, I'll probably go to 5w-30.
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How long did it take to get your report? I sent mine in 2 1/2 weeks ago. Just curious. I know it's probably still a bit soon to expect it.

 

[manofthewoods]

How long did it take to get your report? I sent mine in 2 1/2 weeks ago. Just curious. I know it's probably still a bit soon to expect it.

doing the math from above it looks like 19 days total. Seemed a few days longer than my previous experience with them. Perhaps spring is a busy time???

 

[LCH21]

Here's my report that just came in:

Had about 26,100 miles on it at time of sample. Using the Amsoil filter also.
Seems as if copper is a bit high in newer engines.
Looks like Amsoil SS can go a lot longer than the 5,000 mile interval I am using. Yes, this interval ran over as I was on a trip.

 

[Artie]

I just changed my oil today and will be sending out my sample tomorrow. Yalls copper numbers are crazy low when compared to mine at 65. At first I wasn’t concerned as it had 8600 total miles on the clock at that OCI but now I’m expecting a fairly sizable reduction or a panic attack.

 

[Julian73]

I just changed my oil today and will be sending out my sample tomorrow. Yalls copper numbers are crazy low when compared to mine at 65. At first I wasn’t concerned as it had 8600 total miles on the clock at that OCI but now I’m expecting a fairly sizable reduction or a panic attack.

Are you using a additive in your oil? May have copper in the additive or a very high ZDDP's level which is leaching copper out of your oil heat exchanger, or bearings but other metals such as lead should be equally high

 

[04UZJ100]

Here is mine. I changed it at 2500 miles to M1 5W30. I currently put less than 1000 miles on it a year so stopped sampling. I change oil every 9 months.

Significant copper reduction on that 5.5k OCI between 2500 and 8000 miles.

 

[stonepa]

Just curious what value the Blackstone reports are for each of you? Is there anything that you can actually act upon other than sticking with the Toyota recommended service interval? Not trying to be flippant - just not sure what the value is of the data if there is no action coming out of it.

Note: I totally get the value of Blackstone analysis for fleets and HD trucks, marine, and aviation. Just have no clue of the value for one off personal vehicles.

 

[gasman4u]

BLUF/TLDR - It helps me establish rationale for my continuing on the 10k OCI.

For me, it's to see whether or not the oil I have in it (Amsoil SS) is still protecting my engine after leaving it in there for 10k miles. Having the TBN value lets me know it's still got some left in the tank despite my changing it. I know people consistently poopoo on leaving oil for more than 5k miles, but that is old school thinking IMO given how far we've come compared to the 3-5k OCI's. I also like to see the insoluble levels, etc to see how the filter and engine are fairing given the miles/hrs on the engine and oil/filter combo. As others have experienced, my copper was also high. Lots of reasons given by Blackstone for this value being elevated, but no consensus yet on why it's high on so many late model 200s. Good to have more data so we can figure out what (if anything) needs to be addressed given this elevated value beyond what's considered a normal value (bushings, bearings, etc). Hopefully yet another thing I have spent money on for no other reason than it makes me feel educated on why I do what I do.

 

[LCH21]

BLUF/TLDR - It helps me establish rationale for my continuing on the 10k OCI.

For me, it's to see whether or not the oil I have in it (Amsoil SS) is still protecting my engine after leaving it in there for 10k miles. Having the TBN value lets me know it's still got some left in the tank despite my changing it. I know people consistently poopoo on leaving oil for more than 5k miles, but that is old school thinking IMO given how far we've come compared to the 3-5k OCI's. I also like to see the insoluble levels, etc to see how the filter and engine are fairing given the miles/hrs on the engine and oil/filter combo. As others have experienced, my copper was also high. Lots of reasons given by Blackstone for this value being elevated, but no consensus yet on why it's high on so many late model 200s. Good to have more data so we can figure out what (if anything) needs to be addressed given this elevated value beyond what's considered a normal value (bushings, bearings, etc). Hopefully yet another thing I have spent money on for no other reason than it makes me feel educated on why I do what I do.

Well said. Nothing to add.

 

[Artie]

Are you using an additive in your oil? May have copper in the additive or a very high ZDDP's level which is leaching copper out of your oil heat exchanger, or bearings but other metals such as lead should be equally high

No additives in the oil. Using Amsoil signature series 0w30. It’s probably just part of the engine break in process and I never thought anything of it until seeing what others were scoring. Chances are it’s just the curse of too much info but I’ll report back on my next analysis.

 

[Artie]

Here is mine. I changed it at 2500 miles to M1 5W30. I currently put less than 1000 miles on it a year so stopped sampling. I change oil every 9 months.

Significant copper reduction on that 5.5k OCI between 2500 and 8000 miles.

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This makes me feel better… I’m be surprised if I don’t have a similar reduction.

 

[04UZJ100]

This makes me feel better… I’m be surprised if I don’t have a similar reduction.

Your copper was 5x mine in the same interval?

 

[Artie]

Your copper was 5x mine in the same interval?

Yes, approximately. I did not take a sample at the first change and this sample I did take was days after a 5000 mile road trip with towing. I don’t expect there to be a uniform wear in profile but there should be similarities like a gradual reduction on the wear metals in the analysis. It should be noted I am running 0w30, not sure if that would make a difference or not but it is slightly thicker.