2004 GX470 Aux Fuel Tank and Brake Upgrade Options (3 Viewers)

[Saabstory03]

Hey all, new to the GX and Toyota communities here.

I purchased a MINT condition 2004 GX470 about a year ago, and since then have done brakes, OME 2" coil lift with air ride delete, and plan on doing a lot more.

I have noticed that the GXs like to warp brake rotors... Is there an upgrade that I can do that will handle the heat produced by these trucks? I do tow on occasion, but I'm in no way hard on my brakes (usually ).

Also: started reading that there's an OEM aux fuel tank available on the Prado 120s... Any good build threads or write ups on how to install that onto my GX?

Thanks!

 

[wrmathis]

I know the 4th gen 4runner guys like to upgrade to the 5th gen 4runner brakes since they are bigger and a direct swap

 

[mtwilly87]

I would love to know how to get the prado aux tank installed and working.

 

[GXO]

I am working on a replacement tank in the spare location. I need a slimmer belly! the aux tank wont work for me as it wont house the OEM pump, but I am looking at some custom options as well. Still more research, but given my skid needs in the rear I will probably go full custom stainless.

 

[dogbite]

I am working on a replacement tank in the spare location. I need a slimmer belly! the aux tank wont work for me as it wont house the OEM pump, but I am looking at some custom options as well. Still more research, but given my skid needs in the rear I will probably go full custom stainless.

I as well as others are curious on what you discover...please keep us posted

 

[Saabstory03]

What kind of pump does the OEM Aux tank use? I don't need lots of rear departure clearance because I don't plan on going that hardcore offroad regularly... but I also don't want to break the bank with this either.

 

[GXO]

Aux tank just uses a low pressure xfer pump to refill the OEM tank from the Aux tank. Doesn't feed the engine.

 

[Saabstory03]

Oh that makes sense. Any idea where the best place to start on determining what I need would be?

 

[MADUFF3]

This thread looks old and dusty.... I hope because the issue was solved... so DO TELL, anyone crack this nut????

I am interested very interested in having at least 10 more gallons "under" the GX..... $$$$ what can we do who can help??

 

[GXO]

Order a lot of expensive stuff from Australia.

 

[MADUFF3]

DK,

that is the best we have?? I cant believe we cant together and have a 15 gal, Aluminum AUX tank under the back behind the axle leaving some additional space for ??? maybe to contain 15 Gals we only need 1.6 Sq ft... I think with a 23 gal base tank (stock) and a 15 gal AUX giving 37/8 gals usable that increases the range by approx 50 percent (figuring the added weight reduces the range slightly).. Titan tanks makes a "spare tire" aux tank, I had one in my Duramax (62 GAL) worked awesome... but it was $$$$ the TT spare tire tank is like 1700.00 YIKES!!!! I think we can do better,
thoughts?

 

[GXO]

There is a domestic fj tank that will work . It is spendy and not DOT approved depending on your state

 

[MADUFF3]

how can it be not DOT approved if it is a OEM part on a FJ? Ill check it out, would anyone be interested in having one fabbed? We are all about fabbing bumpers, sliders and other things that make our rigs heavier and more durable, this can make us go further on those trips into the back country!!

 

[JLee]

how can it be not DOT approved if it is a OEM part on a FJ? Ill check it out, would anyone be interested in having one fabbed? We are all about fabbing bumpers, sliders and other things that make our rigs heavier and more durable, this can make us go further on those trips into the back country!!

To my knowledge, there is no OEM auxiliary FJ tank.

Man-A-Fre makes one: Man-A-Fre FJ Cruiser Auxiliary Tank

 

[MADUFF3]

i have seen the Man-A-Fre and LRA tanks both Aluminum and about 2K each, and the Titian tank (poly with a skid plate) would mount in our spare tire should mount but it too is 1700. i think we could have an aluminum baffled tank made to hold say 15 GAL for less than that, I am betting under 1K. I am going to inquire here in San Antonio where I am and see if someone would build one with the following specs:
- 15-20 GAL.
- Aluminum with separate skid plate or some form of additional protection
- Fills from stock location on a diverter
- In-tank transfer pump to primary tank
- I some form of gauge (not sure on that one yet)

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

@DanKunz makes a good point and most don't think about it. I've looked at making tanks on a few occasions. The requirements are a PITA to meet DOT and many separate state inspection regulations as well.

LONG read below and you have to pull things out that are required for a specific spec.. But, most aftermarket tanks on the market DO NOT MEET these requirements, including the AU and SA built tanks. I have called several manufacturers and ask if their tank meets this spec and can they supply their test results per the below and they have no idea what I am talking about.

I've been talking with a AU mfg for a few different cruiser applications, but these are for offroad use only. I also have a USA mfg that has a couple of the OEM cruiser tanks that I'm trying to increase volume and bring to market. This reduces an extra or transfer fuel pump, dual filler necks/valving. Misc wiring that if installed improperly can cause failure or catastrophic loss.

@Bluetribal has talked me into pursuing a few small GX470 items that will be available in the next 2-3 weeks (not tanks) But also has detoured my wife's wishes for a 200 to a GX470... So, we all know what that means... more products.

Jason


Part 393
PARTS AND ACCESSORIES NECESSARY FOR SAFE OPERATION
§ 393.67: Liquid fuel tanks.
(a) Application of the rules in this section. The rules in this section apply to tanks containing or supplying fuel for the operation of commercial motor vehicles or for the operation of auxiliary equipment installed on, or used in connection with commercial motor vehicles.
(1) A liquid fuel tank manufactured on or after January 1, 1973, and a side-mounted gasoline tank must conform to all rules in this section.
(2) A diesel fuel tank manufactured before January 1, 1973, and mounted on a bus must conform to the rules in paragraphs (c)(7)(ii) and (d)(2) of this section.
(3) A diesel fuel tank manufactured before January 1, 1973, and mounted on a vehicle other than a bus must conform to the rules in paragraph (c)(7)(ii) of this section.
(4) A gasoline tank, other than a side-mounted gasoline tank, manufactured before January 1, 1973, and mounted on a bus must conform to the rules in paragraphs (c) (1) through (10) and (d)(2) of this section.
(5) A gasoline tank, other than a side-mounted gasoline tank, manufactured before January 1, 1973, and mounted on a vehicle other than a bus must conform to the rules in paragraphs (c) (1) through (10), inclusive, of this section.
(6) Private motor carrier of passengers. Motor carriers engaged in the private transportation of passengers may continue to operate a commercial motor vehicle which was not subject to this section or 49 CFR 571.301 at the time of its manufacture, provided the fuel tank of such vehicle is maintained to the original manufacturer's standards.
(7) Motor vehicles that meet the fuel system integrity requirements of 49 CFR 571.301 are exempt from the requirements of this subpart, as they apply to the vehicle's fueling system.
(b) Definitions. As used in this section—
(1) The term liquid fuel tank means a fuel tank designed to contain a fuel that is liquid at normal atmospheric pressures and temperatures.
(2) A side-mounted fuel tank is a liquid fuel tank which—
(i) If mounted on a truck tractor, extends outboard of the vehicle frame and outside of the plan view outline of the cab; or
(ii) If mounted on a truck, extends outboard of a line parallel to the longitudinal centerline of the truck and tangent to the outboard side of a front tire in a straight ahead position. In determining whether a fuel tank on a truck or truck tractor is side-mounted, the fill pipe is not considered a part of the tank.
(c) Construction of liquid fuel tanks—(1) Joints. Joints of a fuel tank body must be closed by arc-, gas-, seam-, or spot-welding, by brazing, by silver soldering, or by techniques which provide heat resistance and mechanical securement at least equal to those specifically named. Joints must not be closed solely by crimping or by soldering with a lead-based or other soft solder.
(2) Fittings. The fuel tank body must have flanges or spuds suitable for the installation of all fittings.
(3) Threads. The threads of all fittings must be Dryseal American Standard Taper Pipe Thread or Dryseal SAE Short Taper Pipe Thread, specified in Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J476, as contained in the 1971 edition of the “SAE Handbook,” except that straight (nontapered) threads may be used on fittings having integral flanges and using gaskets for sealing. At least four full threads must be in engagement in each fitting.
(4) Drains and bottom fittings. (i) Drains or other bottom fittings must not extend more than three-fourths of an inch below the lowest part of the fuel tank or sump.
(ii) Drains or other bottom fittings must be protected against damage from impact.
(iii) If a fuel tank has drains the drain fittings must permit substantially complete drainage of the tank.
(iv) Drains or other bottom fittings must be installed in a flange or spud designed to accommodate it.
(5) Fuel withdrawal fittings. Except for diesel fuel tanks, the fittings through which fuel is withdrawn from a fuel tank must be located above the normal level of fuel in the tank when the tank is full.
(6) [Reserved]
(7) Fill pipe. (i) Each fill pipe must be designed and constructed to minimize the risk of fuel spillage during fueling operations and when the vehicle is involved in a crash.
(ii) For diesel-fueled vehicles, the fill pipe and vents of a fuel tank having a capacity of more than 94.75 L (25 gallons) of fuel must permit filling the tank with fuel at a rate of at least 75.8 L/m (20 gallons per minute) without fuel spillage.
(iii) For gasoline- and methanol-fueled vehicles with a GVWR of 3,744 kg (8,500 pounds) or less, the vehicle must permit filling the tank with fuel dispensed at the applicable fill rate required by the regulations of the Environmental Protection Agency under 40 CFR 80.22.
(iv) For gasoline- and methanol-fueled vehicles with a GVWR of 14,000 pounds (6,400 kg) or less, the vehicle must comply with the applicable fuel-spitback prevention and onboard refueling vapor recovery regulations of the Environmental Protection Agency under 40 CFR part 86.
(v) Each fill pipe must be fitted with a cap that can be fastened securely over the opening in the fill pipe. Screw threads or a bayonet-type point are methods of conforming to the requirements of paragraph (c) of this section.
(8) Safety venting system. A liquid fuel tank with a capacity of more than 25 gallons of fuel must have a venting system which, in the event the tank is subjected to fire, will prevent internal tank pressure from rupturing the tank's body, seams, or bottom opening (if any).
(9) Pressure resistance. The body and fittings of a liquid fuel tank with a capacity of more than 25 gallons of fuel must be capable of withstanding an internal hydrostatic pressure equal to 150 percent of the maximum internal pressure reached in the tank during the safety venting system test specified in paragraph (d)(1) of this section.
(10) Air vent. Each fuel tank must be equipped with a nonspill air vent (such as a ball check). The air vent may be combined with the fill-pipe cap or safety vent, or it may be a separate unit installed on the fuel tank.
(11) Markings. If the body of a fuel tank is readily visible when the tank is installed on the vehicle, the tank must be plainly marked with its liquid capacity. The tank must also be plainly marked with a warning against filling it to more than 95 percent of its liquid capacity.
(12) Overfill restriction. A liquid fuel tank manufactured on or after January 1, 1973, must be designed and constructed so that—
(i) The tank cannot be filled, in a normal filling operation, with a quantity of fuel that exceeds 95 percent of the tank's liquid capacity; and
(ii) When the tank is filled, normal expansion of the fuel will not cause fuel spillage.
(d) Liquid fuel tank tests. Each liquid fuel tank must be capable of passing the tests specified in paragraphs (d)(1) and (2) of this section. The specified tests are a measure of performance only. Alternative procedures which assure that equipment meets the required performance standards may be used. .
(1) Safety venting system test—(i) Procedure. Fill the tank three-fourths full with fuel, seal the fuel feed outlet, and invert the tank. When the fuel temperature is between 50 °F. and 80 °F., apply an enveloping flame to the tank so that the temperature of the fuel rises at a rate of not less than 6 °F. and not more than 8 °F. per minute.
(ii) Required performance. The safety venting system required by paragraph (c)(8) of this section must activate before the internal pressure in the tank exceeds 50 pounds per square inch, gauge, and the internal pressure must not thereafter exceed the pressure at which the system activated by more than five pounds per square inch despite any further increase in the temperature of the fuel.
(2) Leakage test—(i) Procedure. Fill the tank to capacity with fuel having a temperature between 50 °F. and 80 °F. With the fill-pipe cap installed, turn the tank through an angle of 150° in any direction about any axis from its normal position.
(ii) Required performance. Neither the tank nor any fitting may leak more than a total of one ounce by weight of fuel per minute in any position the tank assumes during the test.
(e) Side-mounted liquid fuel tank tests. Each side-mounted liquid fuel tank must be capable of passing the tests specified in paragraphs (e)(1) and (2) of this section and the test specified in paragraphs (d)(1) and (2) of this section. The specified tests are a measure of performance only. Alternative procedures which assure that equipment meets the required performance criteria may be used.
(1) Drop test—(i) Procedure. Fill the tank with a quantity of water having a weight equal to the weight of the maximum fuel load of the tank and drop the tank 30 feet onto an unyielding surface so that it lands squarely on one corner.
(ii) Required performance. Neither the tank nor any fitting may leak more than a total of 1 ounce by weight of water per minute.
(2) Fill-pipe test—(i) Procedure. Fill the tank with a quantity of water having a weight equal to the weight of the maximum fuel load of the tank and drop the tank 10 feet onto an unyielding surface so that it lands squarely on its fill-pipe.
(ii) Required performance. Neither the tank nor any fitting may leak more than a total of 1 ounce by weight of water per minute.
(f) Certification and markings. Each liquid fuel tank shall be legibly and permanently marked by the manufacturer with the following minimum information:
(1) The month and year of manufacture,
(2) The manufacturer's name on tanks manufactured on and after July 1, 1989, and means of identifying the facility at which the tank was manufactured, and
(3) A certificate that it conforms to the rules in this section applicable to the tank. The certificate must be in the form set forth in either of the following:
(i) If a tank conforms to all rules in this section pertaining to side-mounted fuel tanks: “Meets all FMCSA side-mounted tank requirements.”
(ii) If a tank conforms to all rules in this section pertaining to tanks which are not side-mounted fuel tanks: “Meets all FMCSA requirements for non-side-mounted fuel tanks.”
(iii) The form of certificate specified in paragraph (f)(3) (i) or (ii) of this section may be used on a liquid fuel tank manufactured before July 11, 1973, but it is not mandatory for liquid fuel tanks manufactured before March 7, 1989. The form of certification manufactured on or before March 7, 1989, must meet the requirements in effect at the time of manufacture.
(4) Exception. The following previously exempted vehicles are not required to carry the certification and marking specified in paragraphs (f)(1) through (3) of this section:
(i) Ford vehicles with GVWR over 10,000 pounds identified as follows: The vehicle identification numbers (VINs) contain A, K, L, M, N, W, or X in the fourth position.
(ii) GM G-Vans (Chevrolet Express and GMC Savanna) and full-sized C/K trucks (Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra) with GVWR over 10,000 pounds identified as follows: The VINs contain either a “J” or a “K” in the fourth position. In addition, the seventh position of the VINs on the G-Van will contain a “1.”

 

[MADUFF3]

Check I get it, and I know that WILCO, Tractor supply sell massive fuel tanks for "farm" use that travel in the beds of trucks everywhere. heck in my 3500 CC Duramax dually I had a 62 gallon titian tank, then a 90 gal bed tank for super long trips with the trailer.(only time the weight made sense). I have no desire in DOT or CE certs, just a baffled inside the frame vented, all aluminium tank. But i understand some may be think that they will be "pinto'd" to death but I think that would be an unlikely situation. Just my .02.

I do appreciate all the frustrating red tape, I work in an office of GOV authority and understand the tedious nature of it at times...

i will continue to explore it for "off road" use.

 

[GXONE]

Sure would love to hear someone update the status on this thread... GX470 has horrible range before .25 tank reading even tho we all know there are probably 8-9 gallons in reserve at that reading. Would love to find an aux tank solution!

 

[GXO]

I am having mine installed in April. Brakes: terrain tamer are on and work well. 460 front caliper and rotor upgrade has been proven.

 

[Cringe]

I read a forum post, one of the 4Runner forums if I am remembering correctly, and they swapped in the Tundra calipers/rotors. Here's a question regarding fuel tanks and DOT ratings. A Jeep Cherokee has a 20 gallon tank that sits where our spare tire is located on the GX470. Obviously it is DOT rated, but if I get a new one off eBay and mount it up where my spare lives would it retain the DOT rating? A skid plate and a Walbro fuel pump then call it done?