2000 Trans Status 2011 Update (1 Viewer)
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I hadn't noticed this before, but the 2000 MY has its own part number. 98-99 are the same and 01-02 are the same. All three types have updated PN's. I wonder what's unique to 2000? There were no other drivetrain or engine changes were there? Part Detail
That is odd... very odd. How does this layin with the stat report? It would have helped if the stat report had the mfg date included.
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some comments:
1) as re_gud showed, we have known failures both before and after MY2000.
2) The 1999.08 - 2000.08 dates just bookend the 2000 MY (which is not aligned with a calendar year)
3) If they had rolled the 2000 PN into the 2001-2002 PN (as an update to cure whatever the suspected problems were/are) then I think it might be significant pointing to a 2000-only problem. Because all years have updated PN's it seems like Toyota may have updated the entire line.
4) If so, then getting a doner trans from an 01 or 02 out of a yard won't necessarily be a fix. You'd have to get an updated/reman'd unit from Toyota with the new part number.
5) Toyotapartscheap.com has the whole enchilada for $2k!!! Toyota Parts Cheap.com
6) The question remains: what is unique about the **010-60840-84 part in the 2000?
Part supersessions say little about why the part was superseded.
Sometimes there is a supplier change; a part casting or machining process change that is different enough to warrant a part number change; sometimes there is a change because of a different generation of vehicle usage (say, going from the 80 to 100 series); or sometimes there is in fact an "updated" part that fixes an issue from before (say the case with 80 series 1FZ head gaskets).
Problem is Toyota does not release any of this information. So, for all intents and purposes you'll never be able to find out unless you are able to get in touch with the part number sensei in Nagoya.
Good luck.
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And just to add to this thread:
In my 5 years at American, we have had no A343F failures in the shop or going out the door to any of our wholesale or MUD customers.
In my 5 years at American, we have had no A343F failures in the shop or going out the door to any of our wholesale or MUD customers.
re_guderian
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Just curious on a few things, if you can...
What would shipping run on one of these? Would that kill the "MUD" discount? Most folks seems to get towed to a local dealer and get it replaced there, and can't really wait for shipping of a transmission.
What is current US inventory for the A343F?
re_guderian
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BTW, I PM'd the 19 folks with failed 2000 transmissions regarding build date. Responses are sloooow, so best case it'll be a few weeks for any kind of update on if there's a concentration of date ranges that failed.
Shipping would have to be arranged via freight truck and by the customer. We do not UPS trannies. Then there is the matter of the core being returned to us which is a $1000 charge that is refunded upon successful and complete return to us (fully draining of the tranny and repackaging with the correct paperwork filled out for us).
Whether it would kill the MUD discount or not is up to the purchaser; I cannot make that determination. Shipping is obviously cheaper to Arizona then it is to Massachusetts.
The A343F availability is as follows for the early 100 series rigs (-84 at the end of the PN indicates "remanufactured"; whether you actually get a reman or not is based on core availability for rebuild. The last A343F we ordered for an LX450 actually came as a new tranny in a reman container):
01/1998-8/1999: 35010-60611-84: 1 available in the US
08/1999-8/2000: 35010-60840-84: 14 available in the US
08/2000-8/2002: 35010-6A020-84: 24 available in the US
re_guderian
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Interesting. I guess I was asking about the lack of A343F's purchased for MUD from American as not being surprising. Since there were only 15 MY 2000 failues documented on MUD, most get them locally so they can get back on the road right away rather than ordering from your or Dan to get the usual MUD discount and having to arrange/pay for shipping and cores. Also, NM likely has a small total number of MY 2000 LC's based on population, and coupled with the estimated ~4% failure rate, quite possible that you've never seen one come through at all from a local failure. The difference between the '98-99 qty on hand v the MY 2000 is interesting given the sales figures:
- ~33K US sales for '98-'99 (LC only) and 1 on hand
- ~16K US sales for '00 (LC only) and 14 on hand
- ~14K US sales for '01-'02 (LC only) and 24 on hand
- ~60K US sales for '98-'99 (LC only) and 1 on hand (0.000016)
- ~35K US sales for '00 (LC only) and 14 on hand (0.000400)
- ~33K US sales for '01-'02 (LC only) and 24 on hand (0.000727)
How do these numbers compare to the A343 in the 80 series (stock on hand)?
What about for the '03-'07 5-speeds?
also, more to the point of what I was interested in this data for, is that my estimate of the '00 failure rate would suggest that over the lifespan of the vehicle, owners in the US will have to replace about a thousand transmissions. MUD has seen about 15, with an approximated 1% of total US ownership (both numbers include LX and LC sales - not sure if LX is the same part number or equivalent, or if they stock a different one.). If my MUD estimate of failure rate holds, that would say about 1500-ish (give or take within the confidence interval) nation wide over the life span of the vehicle. Is stocking 14 of these at once kind of "in-line" with those estimates?
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A343F for the 80 series: 35010-60541-84: 2 in the US
A750F:
9/2002-8/2003: 35010-6A141-84: 4 in the US
8/2003-5/2005: 35010-60A00-84: 5 in the US
5/2005- End of Production (UZJ): 35010-60A40-84: 7 in US
Rob-
I would think you need to compare avg stock tranny qtys vs. a 1 day snapshot. Recent global events
may have scattered this picture.
I like the approach you are taking with this project and the data you have pulled together so far is fascinating. I have never seen anyone take so much info out of this site and organize it into a method for such problem solving. Keep up the good work!
I would think you need to compare avg stock tranny qtys vs. a 1 day snapshot. Recent global events
may have scattered this picture.
I like the approach you are taking with this project and the data you have pulled together so far is fascinating. I have never seen anyone take so much info out of this site and organize it into a method for such problem solving. Keep up the good work!
re_guderian
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Well, thanks. I own a MY 2000 with 175K on the clock with the original tranny.
I wheel by myself out in the boondocks where a tow bill would run into the several hundreds of dollars, if not significantly more. I have a vested interest in knowing about the reliability of the tranny. I'd absolutely LOVE to see turnover data from Toyota on these, but think that the data is probably a little hard to get from them. Being familiar with supply chain dynamics makes me feel that this snapshot data tells the story and my previous estimates aren't too far off. Fortunately for us, transmissions aren't a "consumption" item for LC's
, and recent global events probably had little-to-no impact on parts like these with a relatively slow inventory turn.VidereStudios
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re_guderian, beautiful work. Thanks for the effort involved in that!
My truck is a 2001 LX. I bought in 2009 with 78,000 miles on it...I am the second owner. PO meticulously maintained it down in Hollywood. Have almost 86,000 miles on it now. No transmission problems now or in it's history...manufacture date of 04/2001.
My truck is a 2001 LX. I bought in 2009 with 78,000 miles on it...I am the second owner. PO meticulously maintained it down in Hollywood. Have almost 86,000 miles on it now. No transmission problems now or in it's history...manufacture date of 04/2001.
LC | Feb., 2000 | ~125,000 | Bought it with about 122K.
Original tranny as far as I know. No record of service on transmission.
Did drain and refil with Mobil 1 Syn ATF at 122,600
Dropped pan and replaced filter screen and refilled with Mobil 1 again at 123,100
Drives and shifts perfectly fine.
Original tranny as far as I know. No record of service on transmission.
Did drain and refil with Mobil 1 Syn ATF at 122,600
Dropped pan and replaced filter screen and refilled with Mobil 1 again at 123,100
Drives and shifts perfectly fine.
I am a 4/00 build date with about 160,000 miles
Keep up the great work, I love this thread.
Just a thought, looking at the 80 series numbers on hand and also the 100 series 4spd numbers. It's possible that they keep less on hand for the older models?
