1HDT Diesel Runaway!!! need help.

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I have a plastic bag on my door pocked since Mitsubishi 4M40 engine was invented .. down here that engine was pretty famous for runaways ..

It only happen to my on Tencha coz my IP diaphragm fails .. EDIC manage to shut it off no problem since wasn't the oil driving it.

Be sure your plastic bag it's thick I saw thin ones get suck by the intake ..
 
My 2H with auto has an intake shutter and what I believe to be a manual stop lever on the injection pump. Auto/2H didn't have EDIC. Stories like these confirm the usefulness of the shutter.
 
I had my 1kz engine run away, was my own fault. I incorrectly adjusted the spill control valve, so every time it injected diesel it would inject a full plunger stroke. Holy crap did it rev quick when I started it. Blocked the intake up but still kept going, had to adjust the valve to get it to stop :-s
 
Thanks for the input.

The turbo and intercooler was covered in oil. I just drained what was left of the oil. There was about 3L left. I do believe that smothering it did shut it down. ( I will alway have a little garbage bag in my door panel.) Having 3L of oil is much better then having no oil. this is a good sign for me i think. the next thing Im going to do is finish taking the turbo out and then ill drop the oil pan and take a look at the BEB's.

Do you think it would be worth doing a compression test?

Is there anything els i could check ?

thanks again.

Yep there is. With oil still in the sump it's likely lubricating oil was still getting pumped around before it shut down. As such some metal debris that may have been generated whilst over revving will have traveled to your oil filter. Cutting the oil filter open and inspecting may provide useful evidence.

That being said, if you aren't regularly inspecting your oil filter for metal than there is no guarantee that what you might find in your filter was generated by the over rev. Also I have cut plenty of oil filters and found no debris but the engine was still cactus (no lubricating oil flow, no debris in the filter).
 
A garbage bag will get sucked through the induction like it's net even there pulling the aircleaer inside out as the engine winds up to 12000 rpm before she blows.
Good luck stopping a runaway with a aircleaner system fitted unless of cause it has a shut down butterfly.

Let me bring your attention to the diesel phenomenon known as 'runaway'. Some of you may know of this but to the average diesel owner it's a term not usually associated with cars. Hopefully the following information will save one of your engines one day
 
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Is there any oil left in the sump? That will confirm your smothering stopped it or if it actually ran out of oil to burn. Off the back of that you'll know if it had lubricating oil whilst it was revving or not. (I think smothering did the trick)


Conrod bolts don't like to forces put on them by pistons changing direction far quicker (revving its tits off) than they were designed to and they will stretch. If not replaced you risk them coming loose and "spinning" a big end bearing. With that note made, at a minimum I would inspect all bigend bearings for damage and replace all conrod bolts. When an engine suffers from lack of lubrication, it can be first seen in the bigend bearings due to the load they are exposed to.
If the bigend bearings are ok then it's logical to assume the main bearings are too as the mains receive lubricating oil before the bigends do. Based on what you find there you'll know if you have got away with it or not.

Don't forget to clean all that oil out of your intercooler!


Thanks for the Advise Dousty. I took all the bigend bearings off a few minutes ago. # 6 looks the worst. 1-5 look ok to me. But Im not a mechanic
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so maybe you guys could tell me what you think.
 
I got a few more better pics. Please let me know what you think.
They all look pretty discolored underneath. Is this BAD?
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You can A little mark on #2.
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#6 on the right looks pretty bad.
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on the left is the other side of #6
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Better of giving us a few photos of number 6 big end on the crank. Give a good wipe clean so we can see any scores or big end metal.
 
Yep it really looks like you have got away with it.

Like ozcruiser said, have a close look at #6 crank journal. Run your finger nail across the journal, from front of the car toward the rear of the car, to see if it has been scored. I'd expect the crank to be fine even if it does need a light polish.

The top big end bearing shells are the ones that take the load when you cylinder fires so they are the first to be cruelled. All of you shells look relatively good.

Have you cut your oil filter open yet?
 
Yep it really looks like you have got away with it.

Like ozcruiser said, have a close look at #6 crank journal. Run your finger nail across the journal, from front of the car toward the rear of the car, to see if it has been scored. I'd expect the crank to be fine even if it does need a light polish.

The top big end bearing shells are the ones that take the load when you cylinder fires so they are the first to be cruelled. All of you shells look relatively good.

Have you cut your oil filter open yet?

#6 looks and feels the same as all the rest.
I have not yet taken the oil filter off yet.

This is a pic of #6
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Strong engine! I've had mine run away but turning the key to the off position did it for me. Scary as ***. How does an 86 hp engine go to 200 in .5 of a second?
 
Looks like the crank has got a bit of pickup on it. Have a very thorough look around for any indication of blueing or blackening of the main bearing caps. I'd be surprised if you found any going by the state of your conrod bearings but it's not worth assuming. Then check that your crankshaft has end float to ensure the thrust bearings have survived. A dial indicator and reference to the FSM will sort you out here.

Grab yourself some green scotch brite and give that exposed area of #6 journal a rub to see if it cleans up. If it does (and I expect most of it will) then you're in business. I'd use some engine oil with the scotch brite pad as you aren't looking to harm the journal but remove any soft metal that has been transferred. It it cleans up, then onto the next paragraph.

At this point, you still haven't identified the root cause of the run away so I would cut that oil filter open for inspection and straight after that it's time to inspect your turbo. I imagine a turbo shaft failure might be where it started, judging by the symptoms you described. I'd also recommend checking the cam belt to ensure it's failure wasn't the reason behind the engine coming to a halt and removing the valve cover to scout around for anything unusual up top. Once you are satisfied the overhead is sill in tact and replacing the failed turbo will address the root cause then it's time to start the repair.

Then


From that point I would put the old bearings in and caps back on so you can rotate the crank. Then bring each cylinder to bottom dead centre, remove that cap and very gently slid the piston up the bore just enough to allow you to rub the crank. Clean the journal, fit a new bearing and conrod bolts (and tension to spec) one conrod at a time. Be conscious of the orientation of the lube drilling in the crank as you don't want to have debris fall into it whilst you are cleaning.

If you are super tight on cash or time, I've seen far worse shells come from engines that had no issues whatsoever. I don't recommend that you reuse them and I wouldn't if replacing them is a possibility. Clean the crank, lubricate the white metal and crank journal and refit (don't lube the back of the bearing shell or conrod!!) I wouldn't consider reusing those conrod bolts though as I have also seen plenty of diesels suffer conrod bolt failure after excessive RPM.

You'll need to clean the oil from the intake tract, crank the engine over without fuel to ensure it rotates freely and then be ready to physically choke the engine upon restart. Personally I'd remove the crossover pipe from the turbo to inlet for the startup and be ready with a suitably sized piece of timber to block the inlet manifold. Warm it up, watch the gauges, remove the oil filler cap to check for blowby, drive it for a couple of weeks and only then enjoy your glorious victory!!
 
^ wow that's a wall of words! If you're still on board, ask any questions you need. My advice is off the back of 10yrs with Cummins in on highway and mining but I'm certainly not an expert. Hopefully some other good members will chime in to assist.
 
Looks like the crank has got a bit of pickup on it. Have a very thorough look around for any indication of blueing or blackening of the main bearing caps. I'd be surprised if you found any going by the state of your conrod bearings but it's not worth assuming. Then check that your crankshaft has end float to ensure the thrust bearings have survived. A dial indicator and reference to the FSM will sort you out here.

Grab yourself some green scotch brite and give that exposed area of #6 journal a rub to see if it cleans up. If it does (and I expect most of it will) then you're in business. I'd use some engine oil with the scotch brite pad as you aren't looking to harm the journal but remove any soft metal that has been transferred. It it cleans up, then onto the next paragraph.

At this point, you still haven't identified the root cause of the run away so I would cut that oil filter open for inspection and straight after that it's time to inspect your turbo. I imagine a turbo shaft failure might be where it started, judging by the symptoms you described. I'd also recommend checking the cam belt to ensure it's failure wasn't the reason behind the engine coming to a halt and removing the valve cover to scout around for anything unusual up top. Once you are satisfied the overhead is sill in tact and replacing the failed turbo will address the root cause then it's time to start the repair.

Then


From that point I would put the old bearings in and caps back on so you can rotate the crank. Then bring each cylinder to bottom dead centre, remove that cap and very gently slid the piston up the bore just enough to allow you to rub the crank. Clean the journal, fit a new bearing and conrod bolts (and tension to spec) one conrod at a time. Be conscious of the orientation of the lube drilling in the crank as you don't want to have debris fall into it whilst you are cleaning.

If you are super tight on cash or time, I've seen far worse shells come from engines that had no issues whatsoever. I don't recommend that you reuse them and I wouldn't if replacing them is a possibility. Clean the crank, lubricate the white metal and crank journal and refit (don't lube the back of the bearing shell or conrod!!) I wouldn't consider reusing those conrod bolts though as I have also seen plenty of diesels suffer conrod bolt failure after excessive RPM.

You'll need to clean the oil from the intake tract, crank the engine over without fuel to ensure it rotates freely and then be ready to physically choke the engine upon restart. Personally I'd remove the crossover pipe from the turbo to inlet for the startup and be ready with a suitably sized piece of timber to block the inlet manifold. Warm it up, watch the gauges, remove the oil filler cap to check for blowby, drive it for a couple of weeks and only then enjoy your glorious victory!!

Thanks for the great write up. I really appreciate it. I am now just starting to put the truck back together. i ordered all the parts i need and i now have time to finish this thing. But I have a few Questions.
1. Do I need to put gear grease on the new BEBs?
2. Do you know off hand the torque specs?

Im sure ill have more once i start working on it.
thanks for the help.
 
No grease on the BEBS or MAINS.... assemble the shells in their correct positions (no lube on the backs and make sure they are perfectly clean), then assemble into position in the rods and rod caps, then use the oil you are going to use in the motor and give them a liberal coat and spread with a clean finger.... you should have a manual to give you all torque specs required....it's an investment not an expense.........
 
Thanks for the great write up. I really appreciate it. I am now just starting to put the truck back together. i ordered all the parts i need and i now have time to finish this thing. But I have a few Questions.
1. Do I need to put gear grease on the new BEBs?
2. Do you know off hand the torque specs?

Im sure ill have more once i start working on it.
thanks for the help.

Gday, how did it work out?
 
Just had my 2L run away two weeks ago. I was heavily modifying my IP pump so I had the air cleaner off the turbo and a piece of plywood close by and I still s*** my pants. It was only for 10 seconds but holly fack.
 

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