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Finally got around to installing most of my water injection system over the weekend and initial results were better than expected. On my small test hill around the corner from home I usually can get it to 650 degrees C (pre-turbo) by the top but with the nozzles at the manifold switched on I struggled to get to 500. Currently injection straight water only 2 x nozzles totalling 660cc/min at 1400psi but plan to also have 400cc/min injected pre-turbo. Still waiting on the last of my parts to arrive as the pre-turbo nozzles are controlled by solenoids and it's taken some time sourcing required parts to handle the higher than usual pressures my system will be running.

I was initially looking at the usual kits you see out there like Snow, AEM, coolingmist etc but no one offered a kit that had exactly what I was after so made my own. One of my key requirements was a pump that could be serviceable and also be self priming which lead me to choosing a Pumptec 113c positive displacement pump. It's only rated to a continuous 1200psi but in my testing i've had it well over 2000psi and it's still going lol. Most of my system is all pressure rated to 2500psi which has been a bit challenging to source parts for but it was doable and so far in my very little testing holding up well. I may have to change out some sections of the high pressure semi-rigid tubing to solid copper to limited the amount it moves and vibrates while injecting but time will tell.

Hope to have pre-turbo going in the next week or so and once setup to my liking i'll do a dyno run with and without injection to see if there's any change other than the EGT which has already dropped massively. Some pics below of setup

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Thats a serious pump. Nice setup, I’m sure you’ll notice a touch of power. Try running some alcohol in there too.
 
Managed to do some more testing today and went for my first drive with pre-turbo switched on. Can actually feel it kick in while driving compared to just the manifold injection. I wouldn't say it's a massive difference but it's definitely noticable, I've only run the small nozzles so far so more yet to come.

 
Well my fun didn't last long lol. Blew the ass out of my hobbs switch which activates my pre-turbo nozzle. Accidently ordered the wrong part and didn't realise, burst pressure was only rated to 550psi, the diaphragm didn't stand a chance copping 1400psi :rofl: Surprised it actually lasted as long as it did. Sourcing correct parts today so hopefully back to more testing this weekend.

Found the data sheet for the high pressure rated pressure switch if anyone's interested.
https://docs-apac.rs-online.com/webdocs/1512/0900766b81512a84.pdf
 
Got around to installing the new pressure switch over the weekend and also mounted the solenoid directly onto the nozzle which is performing much nicer than the previous/lazy setup I had. My initial setup only had about 300mm of tubing between the solenoid and nozzle but it still dripped more than I liked so I spent a bit of time getting it as close as possible and it made a big difference. System seems to be working well now so i'll go ahead and fix up all the temporary wiring and excess tubing to make it more of a permanent system.

Did some testing of my nozzles seeing what flow/pressures I get with different combinations and I've decided that 550psi is as low as I'll go. Anything less than 550psi just didn't look as nice in terms of water atomisation and you could start feeling the water droplets hitting your hand. Whereas pressures above this just felt like really cold compressed air hitting your hand and the cloud/mist looked much nicer more spread out with much less throw distance before evaporating. I think I'm ready to start adding the meth now so that should be fun, still haven't decided whether to get a second tank for the meth and still use the big 50L tank for drinking water too...
 
This is very interesting, thanks for explaining. So, you'd rather have meth injection vs the typical AA intercooler but why? I'm assuming you're Aust?
 
@alia176 yes I'm in sure Aus. Currently only injection straight water no meth and getting great results. I have removed a big front mount aftercooler for this system and I'm getting much better results.

Honestly I just really felt like a little project so I gave it a crack and I've been having fun testing and experimenting with it all.
 
Straight water provides better cooling than water/meth so I would think that is exactly what you're after.

Another tid bit of good info. So we do meth here in the States due to possible freezing from cold temps?
 
The meth reduces the freezing temp and adds octane/fuel if you need it. If you don't water cools better.

Another tid bit of good info. So we do meth here in the States due to possible freezing from cold temps?
 
Straight water provides better cooling than water/meth so I would think that is exactly what you're after.
I'm going to try 50/50 water/meth just because I'm curious and want to see the results but I'm planning on only running straight water normally. All depends how much I like the meth :)
 
it's interesting to me that you can compress this mixture by going pre-turbo.
 
it's interesting to me that you can compress this mixture by going pre-turbo.
Most of my injection is now pre-turbo as I've found it gave the biggest reduction in EGT and performance at that injection point. It has also decreased my spool time and makes the turbo sound much nicer, as in it goes really quiet and just sounds like it loves revving out to redline a lot more.
 
Nice to see someone experimenting with this. I'm currently working on an AEM system to compliment a Wits End turbo on the 1FZ. I have a dual battery setup so I'm currently working on a rear mount solution. Where did you mount your pump and tank?
 
Apples to Oranges, he is talking about a turbo diesel.

Nice to see someone experimenting with this. I'm currently working on an AEM system to compliment a Wits End turbo on the 1FZ. I have a dual battery setup so I'm currently working on a rear mount solution. Where did you mount your pump and tank?
 
Nice to see someone experimenting with this. I'm currently working on an AEM system to compliment a Wits End turbo on the 1FZ. I have a dual battery setup so I'm currently working on a rear mount solution. Where did you mount your pump and tank?
Pump and tank fitted into my rear drawer system, no way I can fit a 50L water tank in the engine bay haha. Yes, slightly different needs for me being a diesel and running much higher boost pressure with higher IAT then what you'll be getting with the Wits End kit but the actual system and components are the same.
 
Ahhh, this is a fine point that I wasn't aware of. So, the petrol boosted engines, running less than 10 psi, should inject post turbo?
 
Since the diesels are running the turbo's much harder, injecting pre-turbo provides some cooling effect to the turbo itself. On a gas engine the amount of time the turbo is creating positive pressure and the amount of boost means the turbo is not really hot and there is likely not enough energy(heat) in the air to cause the water to go through enthalpy. You will always get the most benefit from injecting the water where the air is the hottest which is always post turbo, if I was doing a diesel I would have two nozzles one pre and one post and size them accordingly, but on the 1FZ maxing out at 7psi a pre-turbo nozzle is a waste.

Ahhh, this is a fine point that I wasn't aware of. So, the petrol boosted engines, running less than 10 psi, should inject post turbo?
 

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