1991 FJ80 A/C & Smog Pump Questions (1 Viewer)

[jomichael]

Just bought a 91 FJ80 with 150k. The A/C and smog pump is disconnected. I have a few questions.
1. The check engine light is on, I assume this is the smog delete since it is a good running truck?
2. Where does your stock engine oil pressure gauge normally sit at first startup and then after driving for awhile? This one was in the middle for the first mile or so, then slowly dropped about a quarter. Something to worry about? I know these gauges are not accurate, but want to know if that is a red flag.
2. Does the smog pump rob even more power out of this engine or is it worth reinstalling?
3. A/C doesn't work. Should I replace the whole system (compressor, condenser, dryer, lines, etc.) or go compressor then move on if it doesn't work? Hate to replace and take it to a shop only to find that it's not just the compressor.

 

[60 toy ota]

Pull the codes to get direction on hour cel, it's a definite maybe. Obd1 is done via a jumper wire if you're used to newer cars.
I wouldn't be too concerned about your oil gauge. I've seen the same in a good running 60 and 80. Oil thins and becomes less viscous as it warms up, allowing for less pressure to accomplish the same flow through small orifices.
Smog pump does rob power on such a low powered engine to begin with. Not a ton, but it does. If you're required to do emissions that's an obvious yes, otherwise it's up to your conscience.

Common wear items in ac systems are expansion valve, seals, and compressor. It's a good idea to replace the drier if the system is opened, and in your case, also converting to r134a. I'd first test the system for pressure- it'll disable itself if it's too low. Don't be too quick to say the compressor is bad

 

[jonheld]

Smog pump removal will not cause a CEL on its own. Something else is in play.
Folks remove the smog pump for 2 reasons. A failed bearing or a desmog.
It is a low pressure air pump and will have very little if any effect on the 3FE. It's essentially just another pulley.

 

[BlutoF15]

Interesting info here, waiting on my overspending order from Wits End to show up before I start wrenching but taking inventory I noticed another winner on my new to me 3FE.

There appears to be zero mods to the engine, all of the air pump lines are intact as far as I can tell and I bought it in a no smog/emissions state.

However, I’m only running two belts. Even more odd to me as a newbie - am I about to jack something up when I throw all three OEM belts on?!

 

[BlutoF15]

 

[jomichael]

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So it runs off the alternator I see. Anyone know the length of the belt or part number? BlutoF15, I would love to get a bunch of photos of your engine bay. I want to reinstall the smog pump and lines and it would be helpful to see where everything goes!

 

[BlutoF15]

Happy to! It *appears* as if everything is intact, but I’m also green to the 80. Which is why I’m concerned about running the air pump now that it’s been without it for...um...no one knows.

 

[proteolytic]

Interesting info here, waiting on my overspending order from Wits End to show up before I start wrenching but taking inventory I noticed another winner on my new to me 3FE.

There appears to be zero mods to the engine, all of the air pump lines are intact as far as I can tell and I bought it in a no smog/emissions state.

However, I’m only running two belts. Even more odd to me as a newbie - am I about to jack something up when I throw all three OEM belts on?!

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As Jon Held alluded to earlier that smog pump bearing could be toast (or they desmogged). I imagine if it is seized that putting a new belt onto it won't be good. Check to see how freely it spinds before putting a belt on it.

 

[BlutoF15]

Ah, yes, for sure! If he says it, I look at it. Should have mentioned that. My first assumption was that it had an obvious disconnect, but t doesn’t.

Turns freely, no off axis play/wobble by hand turning, just a little surface rust since it’s just been sitting.

I guess my fear is that there’s just junk within it somewhere and introducing it back into the system would be bad.

We’re about to find out.

 

[jonheld]

So it runs off the alternator I see. Anyone know the length of the belt or part number? BlutoF15, I would love to get a bunch of photos of your engine bay. I want to reinstall the smog pump and lines and it would be helpful to see where everything goes!

That's a negative.
The smog pump runs off the crank along with the PS pump.
Please see: General Tech - 3FE Belt Routing - https://forum.ih8mud.com/resources/3fe-belt-routing.95/

 

[jomichael]

That's a negative.
The smog pump runs off the crank along with the PS pump.
Please see: General Tech - 3FE Belt Routing - https://forum.ih8mud.com/resources/3fe-belt-routing.95/

Very helpful diagram! Thanks!