Builds 1988 BJ74 “Number 1” (4 Viewers)

[FJBen]

If you are going go through the trouble of running spacers you should go ahead and run these wheels. View attachment 2981566

Those are only 16s right? I have 16s I need 17s

 

[FJBen]

Well... if you want to stand out and have your own style, get the braids and be done with it.

If you just want functional and keep the costs down, go with the OEM Steelies in the color of your choice!

Agreed. The braids are stock $460/each and would require spacers, plus a chunk in shipping. I could Custom from them in the right backspace but I don’t even want to know that price.

 

[cruiserdan]

Those are only 16s right? I have 16s I need 17s

Yes, only 16s. And in addition the only way you are going to get a factory steel wheel in that bolt pattern that is 8 inches wide.

 

[gilmorneau]

The Braids are stock $460/each and would require spacers, plus a chunk in shipping. I could Custom from them in the right backspace but I don’t even want to know that price.

Why would you need spacers with the Braids? Maybe I'm misreading it, but based on what I'm seeing on their website, if you get a "standard" wheel size, you have a wide choice of offsets for no additional charge. For instance, for a 16 x 7 Fullrace Dakar, they show -25 to +50 as the range of available offsets. For a 16 x 7 wheel to have 3.5" backspacing (stock for your car), you'd need about 12-13mm positive offset and no spacers. Check my math, but I think that's correct.

It's only when you go to "custom" wheel sizes that the price really goes through the roof.

BRAID Fullrace T Dakar

Truck, Rally Raid, Off-road, Baja/Dakar, 4x4, Gravel, & Street. [split] The FULLRACE T DAKAR supplements the Winrace T 13KG 7"x16" from BRAD's range of 4x4 wheels, improving the wheel performance and final price. The Fullrace T Dakar is made with the latest Full Flowcast Technology...

braidusa.com

Edit: Should read "negative offset" above. See @cruiserdan post below.

 

[cruiserdan]

Incorrect. Positive offset pulls the wheel into the centerline of the vehicle. Negative pushes the wheel out. A 7-inch wide wheel will require a -13 to provide a 3.5 inch backspace.

 

[gilmorneau]

Oops. I stand corrected. That's why I wanted someone to check my math. Long day.

 

[FJBen]

Mine are 17x6.5... and I'm not running spacers. If mine aren't backspaced properly it hasn't affected anything.

Part number is 42611-60B71... they are 0km takeoffs from a Prado over in the Middle East.

Locally in Phoenix I've found a guy on Craigslist that buys up the 0-mile takeoffs from the dealership. Loads of 4Runner and Tacoma sets. I've been buying up their 17x7 and 17x7.5 steelies that are on the spares... no one wants them. Likely a better option than trying to source the 6.5's I have (not US market I believe).

I wonder if I should talk to the local dealers. But the tundra ones need spacers I thought.

 

[FJ73Texas]

The older Tundra ones will need spacers.

 

[FJBen]

The deep backspace is not a mechanical problem as long as the tire/wheel assembly does not hit or interfere with any suspension or body bits. Often it will, especially with larger tires. One thing they do do is narrow the vehicle track, in some cases significantly. Personally I find them visually offensive, but that's just me.

It reminds me of trucks modified to run on train tracks. I think they look dorky

View attachment 2981608

Yeah mine is pretty narrow especially with the flares. Not bad from most angles but front and back it looks too skinny.
Not a fan of spacers

 

[FJBen]

Funny... going back to my photos of my truck post-fitment of the wheels/tires I didn't think it looked too bad. But looking at it again I guess it is a bit on the narrow side. @FJ73Texas, did you use spacers on yours?

Anyway, back to photoshopping wheel/tire combos! Sorry for the derail.

I don’t think that looks too bad. Similar to my oem wheels. My flares make mine much worse looking.

 

[cruiserdan]

I wonder if I should talk to the local dealers. But the tundra ones need spacers I thought.

Any wheel with a backspace greater than 3.5 inches needs a spacer to be "correct".

This is where offset and backspace create "conceptual" issues.

Required backspace never changes. Offset changes as wheel width changes. To add confusion, the stated width of a wheel indicates the distance between the beads the tire rests against. NOT the overall width of the wheel.

IE an 8 inch width wheel is actually 9 inches wide when measured flange-to-flange.

Offset indicates the relationship of the mounting flange plane to the overall width of the wheel flange to flange.

An 8 inch wide wheel with zero offset will have a backspace of 4.5 inches.

An 8 inch wide wheel with a -25mm offset will have a backspace of 3.5 inches.

An 8 inch wide wheel with a +13mm offset will have a backspace of 5 inches.

There is a lot here to wrap your head around.

 

[FJ73Texas]

Any wheel with a backspace greater than 3.5 inches needs a spacer to be "correct".

This is where offset and backspace create "conceptual" issues.

Required backspace never changes. Offset changes as wheel width changes. To add confusion, the stated width of a wheel indicates the distance between the beads the tire rests against. NOT the overall width of the wheel.

IE an 8 inch with wheel is actually 9 inches wide when measured flange-to-flange.

Offset indicates the relationship of the mounting flange plane to the overall width of the wheel flange to flange.

An 8 inch wide wheel with zero offset will have a backspace of 4.5 inches.

An 8 inch wide wheel with a -25mm offset will have a backspace of 3.5 inches.

An 8 inch wide wheel with a +13mm offset will have a backspace of 5 inches.

There is a lot here to wrap your head around.

Best advice and info ever.….I hope everyone reads this post. Not many people consider the flanges when measuring but it is standard practice to do so in the wheel industry when making calculations for backspace and offset.

 

[gilmorneau]

Any wheel with a backspace greater than 3.5 inches needs a spacer to be "correct".

This is where offset and backspace create "conceptual" issues.

Required backspace never changes. Offset changes as wheel width changes. To add confusion, the stated width of a wheel indicates the distance between the beads the tire rests against. NOT the overall width of the wheel.

IE an 8 inch with wheel is actually 9 inches wide when measured flange-to-flange.

Offset indicates the relationship of the mounting flange plane to the overall width of the wheel flange to flange.

An 8 inch wide wheel with zero offset will have a backspace of 4.5 inches.

An 8 inch wide wheel with a -25mm offset will have a backspace of 3.5 inches.

An 8 inch wide wheel with a +13mm offset will have a backspace of 5 inches.

There is a lot here to wrap your head around.

I've seen several posts on this topic, but none as concise and clear as this. Kudos. Well done, sir.

 

[FJBen]

Why would you need spacers with the Braids? Maybe I'm misreading it, but based on what I'm seeing on their website, if you get a "standard" wheel size, you have a wide choice of offsets for no additional charge. For instance, for a 16 x 7 Fullrace Dakar, they show -25 to +50 as the range of available offsets. For a 16 x 7 wheel to have 3.5" backspacing (stock for your car), you'd need about 12-13mm positive offset and no spacers. Check my math, but I think that's correct.

It's only when you go to "custom" wheel sizes that the price really goes through the roof.

BRAID Fullrace T Dakar

Truck, Rally Raid, Off-road, Baja/Dakar, 4x4, Gravel, & Street. [split] The FULLRACE T DAKAR supplements the Winrace T 13KG 7"x16" from BRAD's range of 4x4 wheels, improving the wheel performance and final price. The Fullrace T Dakar is made with the latest Full Flowcast Technology...

braidusa.com

Edit: Should read "negative offset" above. See @cruiserdan post below.

I’ll need to get in contact with them Becuase they show it as 17x8 and -5mm as most offset. I’m not sure that would be enough.

 

[cruiserdan]

I’ll need to get in contact with them Becuase they show it as 17x8 and -5mm as most offset. I’m not sure that would be enough.

That would result in ~4.25 backspace. You are still 3/4 of an inch light.

 

[gilmorneau]

I’ll need to get in contact with them Becuase they show it as 17x8 and -5mm as most offset. I’m not sure that would be enough.

Ah...I forgot you're looking at 17" wheels. It's me that's looking at 16 x 7 Braids. Lol...

 

[cruiserdan]

Diameter has no direct impact on width or backspace/offset.

 

[gilmorneau]

Diameter has no direct impact on width or backspace/offset.

True, but Braid 17" wheels aren't available with the same offset options as 16" are, according to their website. No idea why.

 

[cruiserdan]

I’ll need to get in contact with them Becuase they show it as 17x8 and -5mm as most offset. I’m not sure that would be enough.

There's a lot here to unpack. Let's expand.

If you want a 17x8 wheel with the same backspace as an OEM 16x6 wheel, you will need to find one with a -25mm offset.

Good luck with that.

 

[cruiserdan]

True, but Braid 17" wheels aren't available with the same offset options as 16" are, according to their website. No idea why.

What I was trying to convey is that diameter and offset are independent. Any mix and match is possible.