1966 FJ45LV Rejuvenation

[woytovich]

I can check but i think about 3 weeks from Australia then 5 days from California.

 

[woytovich]

Dream if it all comes together, nightmare otherwise

 

[Delancy]

Dream if it all comes together, nightmare otherwise

Dibs of the H151....if or when....

 

[merbesfield]

That's not too bad. When you order the Spitronics do you tell them you are running a 5 spd and is that part of the programming they do to make the engine run without the automatic?

 

[Delancy]

The FJ40 has a custom built bell housing to an H55 transmission.

WHOA! WHOA! WHOA!

STOP THE FRIGGIN' PRESSES!

HAVE TO KNOW MORE!!

Mark,

Sure it was a bellhousing and not the adapter plate?

As a service to all of Mud, we must know moar, if a bell housing was cast/created for.

Question:

With the standalone your looking at, does afford a starter kill if clutch isn't depressed?

Edited: Did you consider the OE manual tranny ECU?

 

[woytovich]

WHOA to you too! I'll be posting all of this info as I go through the build... eventually.

I do not have all of the details on the bell housing but it is my understanding that it was custom made in Australia at considerable cost. I do know that there is at least 1 company there that does that work. I can find out more.

I do not know about the starter kill switch issue yet.

I have the OE manually tranny ECU (part 89661-6A270). I do not know if it will be eliminated if I use the Spitronics.

 

[Delancy]

Thanks!

Know you're "attentive" to details, so the H151 is probably a good indicator that the H55 BH wasn't a feasible option....but I'd like to continue beating the dead horse, just need a new stick.

There wasn't a clutch safety in '66, and working under similar premises for my own endeavors, in researching stand alone ECUs.

Very interesting!! Can't believe I missed this thread.

In all seriousness, if the H151 is shelved, I'm on the hunt for, as well the levered HF1A.

 

[woytovich]

I seriously doubt that this H151 will be on the market... but I imagine another could be sourced. Drop me a PM if you want contact info.

I have the Mark's part time conversion kit for the full time transfer case. There were not many part time cases available when I was sourcing things - and they were $$$.

I think the H55 is a viable option BUT getting a "complete" H151 (with the correct bits and pieces all at once), the transmission that was intended for the 2UZ, seemed like the better choice, especially given the cost of a good used or new H55.

 

[Delancy]

I imagine another could be sourced.

Yan's on the hunt for, now.

The typical reply of:

"well, the way we look at it is, it was running fine when they wrecked it."

From wreckers doesn't bode well and the insurance premium of new is as comforting as the full coverage policy I wish I had had when rolling my 80.

If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all....

I have the Mark's part time conversion kit for the full time transfer case.

Yes, but still a motorized operation, that'll require ECUs to function, correct?

I'm very interested to see how you adapt the harness for that aspect.

There were not many part time cases available when I was sourcing things - and they were $$$.

Did you find any used outlets that actually guaranteed condition?

I didn't think the new price of non-electric HF1A, specific to the H15X BH, was that horrendous.....but back ordered.

Does your BH have provisions for the manual HF1A shifter linkage?

I think the H55 is a viable option BUT getting a "complete" H151 (with the correct bits and pieces all at once), the transmission that was intended for the 2UZ, seemed like the better choice, especially given the cost of a good used or new H55.

You must've sourced the H151 on the cheap, because the H55 and all associated contents purchased for the Redheaded 2F were but a fraction of the H151F, by itself, with no BH, ancillary components.

PM sent.

 

[woytovich]

So as it turns out the wrecker in Australia failed to include the reduction part of the bell housing that goes between the bell housing proper and the back of the engine. "My guy" in AU didn't notice and I didn't discover this until a couple of months later when I got around to taking the auto off of the 2UZ with the goal of test fitting the H151.... WELL there I was, with no adapter.

So the wrecker couldn't source another one - he says it must have gone with the engine when he sold it... "My guy" in AU stepped up and offered to pay for me to get a brandy new one from Akella in Canada... which I did, and he did... and he is going to try to get the wrecker to pony up the money for it... It is GREAT to work with people that stand behind their transactions.

So this is what the guy in brown delivered today....

(now I have to wait for the snow to subside so I can get back out there for a test fit!)

 

[woytovich]

Yan's on the hunt for, now.
The typical reply of:
"well, the way we look at it is, it was running fine when they wrecked it."
From wreckers doesn't bode well and the insurance premium of new is as comforting as the full coverage policy I wish I had had when rolling my 80.
If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all....

If you can pay the price new is the way to go... I know used is a crap shoot but these are not 40 year old transmissions... this one came out of a wrecked year 200x 100 series with 60,000k on it

Yes, but still a motorized operation, that'll require ECUs to function, correct?

I have both the ECU that came with the US engine & auto and the one from the Aussie 100 series that had the H151...

I'm very interested to see how you adapt the harness for that aspect.

Me too!

Did you find any used outlets that actually guaranteed condition?
I didn't think the new price of non-electric HF1A, specific to the H15X BH, was that horrendous.....but back ordered.

Again, new is certainly best!

Does your BH have provisions for the manual HF1A shifter linkage?

I don't now... how can I tell? I haven't gotten that far in my mock up or planning...

You must've sourced the H151 on the cheap, because the H55 and all associated contents purchased for the Redheaded 2F were but a fraction of the H151F, by itself, with no BH, ancillary components.

I think it was a good deal, especially since it is "complete"...

 

[Delancy]

Have gained all kinds of insight on the Australian market since 8/14 and, while I agree new is mo' betta, one can roll the dice several times with used, at least 1FZ/7X specific.

Mechanical HF1A I'd asked about then:

2H-4H-4L levered, no CDL being the benefit, common to 7Xs and (I think) a handful of FZJ80/100/105s.

 

[woytovich]

Looks like my bell might have the provision for the manual shifter?

 

[woytovich]

Is that an H151 you posted? Why do they look so different?

 

[Delancy]

Is that an H151 you posted? Why do they look so different?

Yes from a FZJ7X.

Assuming platform specific variations, since shifter on 80/100 would be further back and "e locker" on the HF1A you have.

 

[woytovich]

So mine is a manual 2wd/4wd and an electric Hi/Lo?
And since your case is a part time case everything is controlled by that one lever?

When I convert with the part-time kit the CDL becomes a Hi/Lo switch?

 

[Delancy]

So mine is a manual 2wd/4wd and an electric Hi/Lo?

Yes.

There may be more than two variants of the HF1A, but know there's mechanically selectable and electronically selectable, and yours is the latter.

And since your case is a part time case everything is controlled by that one lever?

Yes.

When I convert with the part-time kit the CDL becomes a Hi/Lo switch?

Yes. Just another e locker.

The HF2A full time case (which is a US HF2A(V) without the viscous coupler or the housing for) converted to part time, essentially, functions the same as the HF1A electronically selectable you have, with one important exception.

The HF1A idler gear is solid to the shaft and can not be separated, where as the HF2A or HF2A(V) is not. Due to, there's no lower gearset available for the HF1A.

That said, told my guy in Oz that I only want the 80 specific H151Fs (when they're slated for US swaps) because the HF1As preclude gear swaps and the HF2As are the same thing we have here, in abundance, except that the cases are longer by 5" for the VC housing.

Take the (V) out, making HF2A, convert to part time, swap the low range gears and with the H151F you'd wind up with the lowest possible gear ratio in an 80 and part time, too.

H150F even lower, but they're not common in front of anything but the mechanically selectable HF1A TCs, so I take them whole.

 

[woytovich]

Since this will not be a wheeling rig I am not concerned with a lower low range.

Do you have pics of the various transfers for comparison?

 

[woytovich]

Not PLANNING on an H151 rebuild but this might be useful info down the line for me or others so I'm linking it here...

http://www.landcruiserclub.net/foru...ox-rebuild?s=c06910905c29c2d4649add649da4ac52

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Thank you! That is a good reference.

Watching intently as I'm planning a H151 into FZJ80 swap in the near future.