Mobil 1 synthetic ATF?

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It's been a few years since I have used synthetic ATF. I looked at the Mobil 1 stuff today at Auto Zone. The only Mobil 1 synthetic ATF I saw says "Mercon V" on the front (silver bottle). On the back it does say it's Dexron III compatible.

Is this the stuff I want? I seem to remember that it used to say Dexron III on the front. I plan on doing a passive flush in the next couple of weeks.

Thanks
 
this stuff will be fine for you as long as it says compatible it is fine
 
I'm a fan of synth ATF, esp. the Mobil 1 product. ATF fluid does more than just lubricate, the synth makes a difference!
 
I'm definitely going to do the drain/fill with synthetic. I just wanted to make sure I had the right stuff before I spend $100+ on it.
 
I don't remember any prominent "mercon" writing on the front of the M1 ATF, maybe on the back but not the front.


I'll have to check next time I go to Autosone (only place that carries it around here)
 
I don't remember any prominent "mercon" writing on the front of the M1 ATF, maybe on the back but not the front.


I'll have to check next time I go to Autosone (only place that carries it around here)

That's why I'm asking. It has been a few years but I remember it saying "Dexron III" on the front. Now it says "Mercon V" and on the back it says it's Dexron III compatible. Either they have changed the label or the stuff I saw is different.
 
OK, I finally got the scoop on this ATF. I went back to Auto Zone to buy the Mobil 1 synthetic today and noticed it doesn't say Dexron III anywhere on the bottle. Just Mercon V on the front.

I called Mobil 1's tech. line. They told me that GM has switched to Dexron VI on their new vehicles. GM doesn't want the words "Dexron III" to appear on any ATF and will not give their endorsement to any manufacturer that uses that on any of their bottles. Apparently they think it would be confusing to customers.

The Mobil 1 synthetic ATF says Mercon V on the bottle now and is Dexron III compatible, even though it doesn't say it.
 
So this is the right stuff? Notice the labels on each bottle are different as I can't find one store who stocks enough in one place. So far Carquest and Super Walmart and I still need a few more quarts.
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They are the same, just a label change. As long as it says somewhere it Dexron compatible, you are ok.
 
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This is the back of the bottle on the left. There is no mention of DEXRON II or III. Only "Recommended for .... 2005 and earlier GM vehicles" The back of bottle on the right clearly indicates DEXRON II and III compatible. I did call Mobil's help line like Sundaypunch did just to confirm. They did say it was compatible but also said the formula had changed some.

Anyway the confusing part is the "Mobil DEXRON-VI ATF is recommended... in 2005 and earlier GM vehicles, wherever DEXRON is specified."

So what is it Mobil? No one on the phone there was really of any help telling me the difference.

What does everyone else think. Maybe I'm over thinking this but at $120 for the ATF I'd like to get it right the first time.
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It's not Mobil's fault, it is General Motors Fault. They stopped licensing Dexron III at the end of 2006 and have discouraged the use of the term. So when Mobil says 2005 and prior, they mean Dexron III. Dexron VI is a superior specification and includes all earlier versions of Dexron, so the answer is either works fine.


Once again GM has made something that is so simple, very complicated. Here is their actual press release, pay attention to the area I set out in bold:

General Motors DEXRON®-VI Global Service-Fill Specification

During early 2005 General Motors released a newly developed automatic transmission fluid (ATF) for the factory fill of all GM Powertrain stepped gear automatic transmissions. The new fluid provides significantly improved performance in terms of friction durability, viscosity stability, aeration and foam control and oxidation resistance. In addition, the fluid has the potential to enable improved fuel economy and extended drain intervals. Since the performance of the new fluid far exceeded that of the DEXRON®-III service-fill fluids available at the time it became necessary to upgrade the DEXRON® service-fill specification in order to ensure that similar fluids were available in the market for service situations. This latest upgrade to the service- fill specification is designated DEXRON®-VI.

Since General Motors introduced the first ATF service-fill specification in 1949 it has been periodically necessary to upgrade the specification. This upgrading process ensures that available service fill fluids are of an appropriate quality for use in transmissions that have been designed around the factory fill fluid performance. It should be noted that, as with previous upgrades, DEXRON®-VI fluids are designed to be backward compatible with earlier transmission hardware. More importantly, earlier type fluids are not forward compatible with transmission hardware that was designed to use DEXRON®-VI fluid, i.e. DEXRON®-III is not compatible with the most recently designed transmissions, and the use of these earlier type fluids could result in transmission damage. All current calibrations and certification tests are now conducted with DEXRON®-VI ATF. DEXRON®-III fluids should not be used for these applications where the owners manual recommends the use of DEXRON®-VI. GM does not license or support obsolete ATF specifications or the use of fluids that are being marketed against cancelled specifications.
All DEXRON®-III licenses expire at the end of 2006 and will not be renewed. Beyond that date GM will only support the use of DEXRON®-VI fluids for use in Hydra-Matic transmissions. Fluids sold in the market after that date bearing claims such as “suitable for use in DEXRON®-III applications” or similar wording should be avoided. DEXRON®-VI licensed fluids are fully backward compatible and can be used in all applications covered by earlier GM ATF specifications.


The use of unlicensed fluids and/or non GM approved aftermarket additives may prove detrimental to transmission performance and void warranty coverage.

There is a published list of GM-approved brands of DEXRON®-VI (see page two of this release). This list represents the companies who have conducted the appropriate testing and received GM approval. Company name, license number, and brand name are shown. This list will be updated on a regular basis as more approved products are added.
 
I wonder if Mobil in in the process of getting M1 ATF certified under Dexron VI? if they do then they could again go back to the familiar phrase "dexron" instead of the "for use in 2005 and earlier GM vehicles" witch is code for dexron III
 
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Supposedly Mobil is making a Dexron VI product, I'm sure it will pop up soon.
 
What do you guys know about mixing synthetic and dino?
 
What do you guys know about mixing synthetic and dino?

Not a problem but the mixture has the service life of the lesser fluid,

Drain the 4 quarts in the pan during oil changes for a wile and then after you get close to 100% taper off to every 3rd or 4th oil change to keep it fresh, I did this almost 100K miles ago, transmission has been running fine,
 
If you want more technical information there is a more technical number at Mobil (1-800-662-4525). Just do not choose #1 from the voice prompts cause that will take you to this number (1-800-275-6245) which is the Mobil 1 line, and gets you non-technical guys who are not engineer types. If you call the first number, choose one of the other number prompts and you will get someone who is much more knowledgable overall; just tell them you already talked to the Mobil 1 line, but did not get the answer you were looking for.
 
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