Would a bad starter cause this?

[GregFrench]

My starter is going bad. This I know. Sometimes I turn the key, and it just clicks. I have to keep doing this 4 or 5 times, then it finally catches and cranks the engine right up. This only happens once in a while (maybe once a week or so) so it is more of an annoyance right now. I plan on fixing it when I get back home in a few weeks.

Yesterday, though, it started a whole new problem. I glow it, then turn the key and the engine tries to turn over, but it takes WAY too long for it to start. It starts after about 6-10 seconds of cranking.

Could this be a starter problem or is it a fuel problem? Maybe a primer? EDIC?

1981 2H

 

[amaurer]

Regarding the clicking, check your ignition switch. If I press too hard towards Start I'll get just a click with no starter action.

Regarding the long cranking yesterday, if the engine is turning over rapidly/normally and it doesn't start then its a fuel/glow/compression problem.

 

[lcbj73]

check the starter relay, the wiring and the brushes of the starter.

 

[GregFrench]

Regarding the clicking, check your ignition switch. If I press too hard towards Start I'll get just a click with no starter action.

Regarding the long cranking yesterday, if the engine is turning over rapidly/normally and it doesn't start then its a fuel/glow/compression problem.

That's what I thought. Feels like a fuel issue rather than starter. Turns over at normal speed...just for a longer time than usual. I know it isn't the glow plugs because I don't normally glow it when the engine is warm. Also I put all new glow plugs in it at the beginning of the summer, so I know they are good.

I read something about a fuel primer that can sometimes leak down or go bad. What is that, and is it on the 2H?

 

[roscoFJ73]

That's what I thought. Feels like a fuel issue rather than starter. Turns over at normal speed...just for a longer time than usual. I know it isn't the glow plugs because I don't normally glow it when the engine is warm. Also I put all new glow plugs in it at the beginning of the summer, so I know they are good.

I read something about a fuel primer that can sometimes leak down or go bad. What is that, and is it on the 2H?

If the starter is clicking,you have a problem unrelated to fuel.
A diesel engine ,especially an old one,needs a rapid turn over on the starter to build compression to fire.
The starter is either not getting enough power from the battery ,or the starter needs looking at.

If the primer pump(hand pump on the fuel injection pump) is spewing fuel when used or has seepage it also needs looking at or any other fuel seepage/leakage.

 

[smack]

maybe try the check valve in the hand primer pump
if car has been sitting say overnight and check valve
is leaking fuel will drain back into tank causing a air gap
then takes a few cranks to get this fuel back up

 

[smack]

and if u need more help on this let me know i have the
toyota engine manual for the 2H-12HT that i can look up

 

[UpsideDown]

click, no crank = starter solenoid repairs required or low battery(s)

low crank speed = check battery(s) and connections in the start circuit

if battery & connections okay, then starter may be needing some work

The 2H, if glowed properly, will start instantly if there are no other problems. Cranking speed does not need to be high. Same for the 3B.

 

[GregFrench]

Thanks everyone. I KNOW the starter is bad, and I know what it needs. That is not the question I was asking. I was just wondering if a bad starter could be the cause of this new problem.

The starter is only bad once a week...sometimes once every 2 or 3 weeks. Most of the time it works great...cranks strong and fast. Usually only takes 2-5 turns to start (without glow if using diesel....with glow if using veggie).
Now it is taking many tries to start, like it isn't getting fuel, or like there is air in the lines.

Bad starter, from what I am gathering, will not cause this. Now I know I need to look for the cause.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

a bad starter shouldn't give you any fuel issues... my starter was on the way out for a few months, every so often i'd have to get underneath my truck and smack it with a wrench or whatever was handy... and then she fired right up... Only time my truck didn't start right up was due to glowplug issues or air in the fuel...

 

[beejay42]

The 2H, if glowed properly, will start instantly if there are no other problems. Cranking speed does not need to be high. Same for the 3B.

Just an observation from my personal experience (generally, mechanically I know SFA)- cranking speed has everything to do with my 3B starting or not starting.
My starter was dead, so it got rebuilt, got a new 700CCA battery, and after this is still only turned at 1/2 to 2/3 speed- and it would not start the engine at this speed when cold, no matter how much I glowed the plugs. Jumping it at the same time turned it over quicker and it would start.
Turned out to be a bad earth from the engine to the chassis- replaced that and now it turns over at top speed and will fire on second turn when cold without even doing a glow cycle.

Considering yours turns at normal speed... what I have said probably means nothing.
I too doubt your starter is causing the problem.

 

[crushers]

cranking speed on a cold diesel makes a world of difference whether 3B, 2H, PZ or HZ...

if the engien cranks too slow the cold fuel into a cold engine has a hard time igniting.

we have not been informed if the engine is cranking at a proper speed or not (unless i missed it)

<how is your charging system? if the alternator is not putting out properly then the glow circiut is automaticly shut off by the computator...>

 

[beejay42]

That's what I thought. Feels like a fuel issue rather than starter. Turns over at normal speed...just for a longer time than usual.

Gday crushers,
This is the quote I thought meant it was turning over at the proper speed.
I did notice with mine that it doesn't take much to make a world of difference though.
I'll back out quietly now and leave it to the people like you who actually know what they're talking about

Good luck Greg.

 

[crushers]

yep, i missed that post...
thanks.

 

[cyansandman]

I have a problen with my 2h diesel turning over really slow, i have just replaced the battery, but still turns over slowly, does anyone know what could cause this, i was thinking maybe starter motor???

 

[crushers]

get it tested

 

[Ben-jammin]

your starter fix is pretty simple. Take the starter off, take the magnetic switch cover off the back, replace the contacts (which are probably pretty much wore out). I got away for a year with just some sand paper and TLC. You can buy similar contacts and make them work from any local automotive store. Cheap fix.

Not starting could be a veggie system problem. I don't run veggie so don't have a sweet clue about your set-up. Clogged fuel filter ? Gummed injectors ? Bad glow plugs? Diagnosis leads to prognosis. Have fun.

Cheers

Ben

 

[iceycruiser]

I'm not an expert, but i would watch your exhaust pipe when you crank it over, if you are getting white smoke then it means your preheat isn't working properly. if there is no smoke then it's a fuel issue and i would look a little deeper into that. My 60 ran veggie when i bought it and it had no problems starting even up here.

 

[bigboss]

greg i am a auto leky let me see if i can paint a picture for ya you can use or chuck it its just a thought i had . 1.before your truck had starting issuses you used to turn the key on and start ,after the gloiw light goes out then the glow system goes into a afterglow lower ampridge on the glow plugs after the truck runs, therefore less work the glow plugs have to do .2 your truck starts to click so the first thing you do is A keep turning the to start or B turn the key off and on then to start which will engage the glow curcuit at full ampridge everytime.therefore more start more work on plugs SOOOOO. after a big long story yes as ben jammin has said easy fix on starter and i would say definatly a glow plug issue maybe not all but at least 60 percent of them ,there you go there a target guys shoots some holes in it be my guest because a problem shared is a problem halved but wife shared i is a probled doubled lol