Winches for 100 series?
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That's what the ARB is for.
They're good for making parking spaces. Unlike the ARB they'll "Leave no trace."
Never thought about that actually...X-mas IS coming.
Assuming you have maxed out the stock OEM t-bars for adjustment you'd have to get larger diameter/aftermarket t-bars for the additional spring rate to support said weight.
FTR: If you stay with the same t-bar spring rate any adjustment of the lift height for that same spring rate doesn't alter the ride quality i.e. induce harshness. By changing the height via adjustment of the t-bar you are not changing the spring rate; only the preload on the t-bar spring.
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I'm speaking of ride quality when you get to the point of having very little to no down travel in the arms. Don't know about your truck, but I got tired of hearing the suspension slam coming off speed bumps and such.
To expand on spresso's remark. The ride quality will not suffer as long as you meet minimum droop requirement. The ride issue with less than min droop is also not related to spring rate, but clipped suspension travel.
In determining what you need. Keep in mind that all winchs are only at there rated capacity with one wrap on the spool. So a 8k winch with with all its cable out will out pull a 12k with 20' of cable out.
I have an 8K in the garage that works for me.
I have an 8K in the garage that works for me.
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Wow.... I would have never thought about that! Hows a snatch block work....they double the weight pull?
Warn 9500 myself.
LCPhil I'm with you on the 1st part. 8,000lbs in the rated for the 1st wrap around the drum. Pulling power decreases at the wraps increase (drum diamer increases) I don't know the amount of the reduced pulling power but I'd guess it to be 6-7,000 lbs.
Yes, snatch block effectively doubles the pull, by cutting the speed in 1/2. Doen't mean you should try to pull a 18,000lb truck with your 9,000 winch. Rigs stuck in the mud can often require 2x the weight of the truck to get unstuck. If you even think the weight you are trying to pull is close to the rated load, use a snatchblock.
You'll have a difficult time finding a front bumper to hold a 12000 on the front a 100. 9500 fit in most aftermarket bumpers.
The winch is not much use without good recovery points, snatchblock, d-rings, tree strap, gloves, Figure youre gonna drop another $200 on top of the winch to use it effectively.
Haven't heard anything bad about Iron Man but, I don't know that I'd want wireless. There seems to be enough issues with wired.
LCPhil I'm with you on the 1st part. 8,000lbs in the rated for the 1st wrap around the drum. Pulling power decreases at the wraps increase (drum diamer increases) I don't know the amount of the reduced pulling power but I'd guess it to be 6-7,000 lbs.
Yes, snatch block effectively doubles the pull, by cutting the speed in 1/2. Doen't mean you should try to pull a 18,000lb truck with your 9,000 winch. Rigs stuck in the mud can often require 2x the weight of the truck to get unstuck. If you even think the weight you are trying to pull is close to the rated load, use a snatchblock.
You'll have a difficult time finding a front bumper to hold a 12000 on the front a 100. 9500 fit in most aftermarket bumpers.
The winch is not much use without good recovery points, snatchblock, d-rings, tree strap, gloves, Figure youre gonna drop another $200 on top of the winch to use it effectively.
Haven't heard anything bad about Iron Man but, I don't know that I'd want wireless. There seems to be enough issues with wired.
Here are a couple links that explain snatch blocks along with good winch reading.
Snatch Block Basics
http://www.jonfund.com/technical/techphotos/winchtech.pdf
FWIW - The spec is power by number of wraps for a WARN 12k
Pull power by layer
layer/Lbs(Kgs.)
1/12,000 (5440)
2/9517 (4317)
3/7886 (3577)
4/6732 (3054)
The ARB 98-02 Combo, 03+ Deluxe, and 03+ Sahara are all designed to handle the M12000.......also Slee's bumper is going to accept the M12000......once he finishes it.
My M12K install thread. https://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-cruisers/219239-color-matched-sahara-w-lights-m12-000-a.html
I can tell you, this thing is a monster, but I am glad I went big. Pulled a few trees off roads and a couple 80's and an RV out of mud and this thing doesn't break a sweat so I'm glad I'll have the extra power when needed.
Weight and ride. As you can tell with the winch, bumper and dual batteries I fugure I'm pushing an extra 400# ?? Anyway, yes, it dropped the front about 1" I think, and I cranked the Tbars back and all is good. So the ride did suffer a bit, but not much really, it bobs a little more on speed bumps but with my Bilstein HD shocks it's really not bad at all on the road. Anyway, 100's aren't known for thier "handling on rails" anyway. I'll upgrade to OME Tbars eventually.
Mounting. There isn't an option to mount the M12 on the Sahara feet forward, so mine are feet down and I blocked the front feet so they are up against the bumper tight. I called and talked to Warn, they see a couple "large body" winches (M12, M15 etc) come in every year with broken feet from mounting "feet down" and not "feet forward." It a weakness in the feet themselves where that larger torque can sheer them, expecially with IMPROPER winching technique - as he told me, almost every one they see has broken when people use thier rig AND winch and "bounce" to pull rigs out of mud etc - big NO NO. While he didn't "recommend" it (legal reasons of course) he clearly eluded to "feet down" mouting being ok if you use your head and block in the front feet to the bumper.
I can tell you, this thing is a monster, but I am glad I went big. Pulled a few trees off roads and a couple 80's and an RV out of mud and this thing doesn't break a sweat so I'm glad I'll have the extra power when needed.
Weight and ride. As you can tell with the winch, bumper and dual batteries I fugure I'm pushing an extra 400# ?? Anyway, yes, it dropped the front about 1" I think, and I cranked the Tbars back and all is good. So the ride did suffer a bit, but not much really, it bobs a little more on speed bumps but with my Bilstein HD shocks it's really not bad at all on the road. Anyway, 100's aren't known for thier "handling on rails" anyway. I'll upgrade to OME Tbars eventually.
Mounting. There isn't an option to mount the M12 on the Sahara feet forward, so mine are feet down and I blocked the front feet so they are up against the bumper tight. I called and talked to Warn, they see a couple "large body" winches (M12, M15 etc) come in every year with broken feet from mounting "feet down" and not "feet forward." It a weakness in the feet themselves where that larger torque can sheer them, expecially with IMPROPER winching technique - as he told me, almost every one they see has broken when people use thier rig AND winch and "bounce" to pull rigs out of mud etc - big NO NO. While he didn't "recommend" it (legal reasons of course) he clearly eluded to "feet down" mouting being ok if you use your head and block in the front feet to the bumper.
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