Why the LX570 (or LC200) is still the best.

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I haven't been very active on Mud lately, but I just got back from a week long fly fishing, off-roading and camping trip in my truck and it just got me thinking about how much I am still in love with this truck. I thought I would share some thoughts about the 200 and what I think about vehicles in general.

(I posted pics and the trip description in the LX photos thread)

I have a 16' LX that has a mild build and I feel like this vehicle is nearly perfect and even with all the money in the world, I don't think there is another vehicle that can do everything I do as well as this LX. The last week I drove 800 miles, of which at least 250 were off pavement including some pretty rugged Colorado passes. This truck just crawls up anything with ease. The crazy thing about off-roading in the LX vs other vehicles is how nice it feels the whole time. If the windows are up it's remarkably quiet and smooth. I drove many long miles of rough or washboard type roads and I would be surprised to find many vehicles that can do this so smoothly. Many times I have actually had to remind myself to slowdown because it's easy to get too comfortable and forget that it's still a narrow washboard road. When doing more technical off-roading, the truck just makes terrifying obstacles seem easy. It has lots of power and it is extremely comfortable when driving the long stretches of highways or interstates. And I tow with it constantly and it does great pulling trailers over Colorado highway passes at highway speeds. It fits my whole family in it comfortably and is a perfect daily driver for me, impressing clients and fits in most parking spots in a city.

Suspension: I was talking to a guy on the trail and he asked me what suspension I had and I said it was stock. I sometimes forget how much I love the AHC suspension in the 200. Ive had 2 different 100 series and we all know that the AHC in those wasn't great, and I replaced it in both. However the 200 series it is incredible. It flexes well, is smooth at speed. And I can't tell you enough how much I use all the various settings. I switch it to Sport+ when driving curvy roads at high speeds (common in Colorado) to reduce body roll and it makes a huge difference, because I highly dislike body roll through corners. I lower the suspension all the time to fit into parking garages, and I definitely wouldn't fit in those without the lowering feature. I love raising it to clear obstacles off-road, and it really gives this truck great clearance angles (bumpers and 34s" help too). But another thing I love is lowering it at camp to make getting in and out of the vehicle easier. I like lifted trucks but it's a real pain in the ass at points and lowering it is a great feature. A couple notes, the vehicle drives way better off-road in the normal height (only available in 4 high) and it definitely rougher in the high setting, so I generally switch to the normal height when possible.

Usability: I will never understand why every SUV doesn't have a split gate! Having a tailgate is sooooo incredibly important to me thatI can't imagine having a vehicle without one and sadly Toyota seems to not care about this feature anymore. I use the tailgate constantly. I have a full set of ARB drawers in my vehicle, which I also can't imagine not having, so the tailgate serves as a nice place to set things while unloading or loading since the top of the drawers is such a high loading platform. I sit on the tailgate when dressing for skiing or putting on my waders for fly fishing. When you don't have a tailgate its gross to sit in the cargo area because your clothes get so dirty from having to tough the bumper of the car (especially during winter when changing out of ski pants. I rig my fly rods on the tailgate, organize my gear and it allows my dog to jump in and out with ease. I didn't even bring a table camping because I used the tailgate and flip up table on my tire carrier for cooking.

The drawers make for a level platform so I often sleep in the back of the truck. I usually set up my small cooler in the corner and can put a laptop up there to watch movies when camping by myself. But my wife and I and our dog fit comfortably in the back and it's great.

The size of the 200 is perfect for me. I load the thing to the max and I really can't imagine having a smaller vehicle just from a cargo/passenger point of view. I wish it was actually bigger for a lot of things I do, but the size makes it still manageable for all the off-roading I care to do. I don't care to do off-roading more difficult than what I have already done in this truck. I don't really off-road as a hobby. To me off-roading is just a way to access good fishing, camping etc. I have taken it over several moderately hard passes in Colorado and anything more difficult is only necessary for Off-roading as the goal, when for me it's more of a means.

Other Options: Ive thought a lot about what other vehicle I would buy but really nothing else made seems to check all the boxes for me. I want a full size SUV but none of them are appropriate for offloading anymore. I suppose the best alternative out right now is the Sequoia or LX600, both seem nice but have drawbacks. I really like the Yukon Denali but again, can't offload that thing. Range Rovers are incredibly nice, but I will never own one of those POS. I have to be honest, I like a luxurious vehicle so I am not interested in a bronco. The one vehicle out there that I actually do want is a Rivian R1S, but I will always need a vehicle that can tow on a road trip and EV's are just not meant for that at all. I would really like to have a full size truck, but really the added length makes it tricky to park in a lot of places in downtown Denver where I work, and again, their overall size makes them way more difficult to off-road with.

In honesty, there isn't one vehicle that can do everything perfect but this LX seems to do everything I do almost perfect. I don't think there is another vehicle out there that even interests me as a replacement. I have thought about it and I have already decided that when it is time to move on from this truck I will have to replace it with two vehicles, a full size truck or Yukon/similar SUV and keep a 80 series or similar LC. But for only having one vehicle, this really thing really checks all the boxes. I can't believe that I have had this vehicle for 6 years and I still get in it and think it's ****ing awesome. When I test drive other new SUV's and trucks, I think the LX hold up really well to brand new trucks (except infotainment...). And when I read about the new vehicles or watch YouTube (like Tinkerer's Adventure for example) it really makes it clear that no manufacture is building vehicles with the same quality of the 200 anymore.

These 200 series vehicles are really special. They are the last of their kind. Big V8, heavy duty build quality, no compromises for new tech/emissions/cost cutting. I feel lucky to own one of these and I will be sad when it comes time to move on.





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Thanks for all of this Denver- I'm out there in your neck of the woods often with my 08,13, and now 18 LX. I am pretty much in lock step with you in each point.

I sold my 13 and got a GX to tide me over until the new 550s came out. This past July we went all over your state to see family and fly fish. While the GX did great, it fell short in a few areas- size and tailgate... When I got back I found my new keeper an 18LX. I just keep my fly rod together and go from spot to spot with it inside. It got a little cramped in the GX.

The LX is a Goldilocks vehicle for my nuclear family and my gorilla body type!

The mrs. and I have talked numerous times about what else we would get. Nothing comes to mind. It makes me want to put one in deep freeze until this one decides to leave us. Until then, I will enjoy every minute of ownership.

I drew the short straw and had to shuttle about 7-8 old (50s) frat bros around recently as well. So it does that too...
 
I haven't been very active on Mud lately, but I just got back from a week long fly fishing, off-roading and camping trip in my truck and it just got me thinking about how much I am still in love with this truck. I thought I would share some thoughts about the 200 and what I think about vehicles in general.

(I posted pics and the trip description in the LX photos thread)

I have a 16' LX that has a mild build and I feel like this vehicle is nearly perfect and even with all the money in the world, I don't think there is another vehicle that can do everything I do as well as this LX. The last week I drove 800 miles, of which at least 250 were off pavement including some pretty rugged Colorado passes. This truck just crawls up anything with ease. The crazy thing about off-roading in the LX vs other vehicles is how nice it feels the whole time. If the windows are up it's remarkably quiet and smooth. I drove many long miles of rough or washboard type roads and I would be surprised to find many vehicles that can do this so smoothly. Many times I have actually had to remind myself to slowdown because it's easy to get too comfortable and forget that it's still a narrow washboard road. When doing more technical off-roading, the truck just makes terrifying obstacles seem easy. It has lots of power and it is extremely comfortable when driving the long stretches of highways or interstates. And I tow with it constantly and it does great pulling trailers over Colorado highway passes at highway speeds. It fits my whole family in it comfortably and is a perfect daily driver for me, impressing clients and fits in most parking spots in a city.

Suspension: I was talking to a guy on the trail and he asked me what suspension I had and I said it was stock. I sometimes forget how much I love the AHC suspension in the 200. Ive had 2 different 100 series and we all know that the AHC in those wasn't great, and I replaced it in both. However the 200 series it is incredible. It flexes well, is smooth at speed. And I can't tell you enough how much I use all the various settings. I switch it to Sport+ when driving curvy roads at high speeds (common in Colorado) to reduce body roll and it makes a huge difference, because I highly dislike body roll through corners. I lower the suspension all the time to fit into parking garages, and I definitely wouldn't fit in those without the lowering feature. I love raising it to clear obstacles off-road, and it really gives this truck great clearance angles (bumpers and 34s" help too). But another thing I love is lowering it at camp to make getting in and out of the vehicle easier. I like lifted trucks but it's a real pain in the ass at points and lowering it is a great feature. A couple notes, the vehicle drives way better off-road in the normal height (only available in 4 high) and it definitely rougher in the high setting, so I generally switch to the normal height when possible.

Usability: I will never understand why every SUV doesn't have a split gate! Having a tailgate is sooooo incredibly important to me thatI can't imagine having a vehicle without one and sadly Toyota seems to not care about this feature anymore. I use the tailgate constantly. I have a full set of ARB drawers in my vehicle, which I also can't imagine not having, so the tailgate serves as a nice place to set things while unloading or loading since the top of the drawers is such a high loading platform. I sit on the tailgate when dressing for skiing or putting on my waders for fly fishing. When you don't have a tailgate its gross to sit in the cargo area because your clothes get so dirty from having to tough the bumper of the car (especially during winter when changing out of ski pants. I rig my fly rods on the tailgate, organize my gear and it allows my dog to jump in and out with ease. I didn't even bring a table camping because I used the tailgate and flip up table on my tire carrier for cooking.

The drawers make for a level platform so I often sleep in the back of the truck. I usually set up my small cooler in the corner and can put a laptop up there to watch movies when camping by myself. But my wife and I and our dog fit comfortably in the back and it's great.

The size of the 200 is perfect for me. I load the thing to the max and I really can't imagine having a smaller vehicle just from a cargo/passenger point of view. I wish it was actually bigger for a lot of things I do, but the size makes it still manageable for all the off-roading I care to do. I don't care to do off-roading more difficult than what I have already done in this truck. I don't really off-road as a hobby. To me off-roading is just a way to access good fishing, camping etc. I have taken it over several moderately hard passes in Colorado and anything more difficult is only necessary for Off-roading as the goal, when for me it's more of a means.

Other Options: Ive thought a lot about what other vehicle I would buy but really nothing else made seems to check all the boxes for me. I want a full size SUV but none of them are appropriate for offloading anymore. I suppose the best alternative out right now is the Sequoia or LX600, both seem nice but have drawbacks. I really like the Yukon Denali but again, can't offload that thing. Range Rovers are incredibly nice, but I will never own one of those POS. I have to be honest, I like a luxurious vehicle so I am not interested in a bronco. The one vehicle out there that I actually do want is a Rivian R1S, but I will always need a vehicle that can tow on a road trip and EV's are just not meant for that at all. I would really like to have a full size truck, but really the added length makes it tricky to park in a lot of places in downtown Denver where I work, and again, their overall size makes them way more difficult to off-road with.

In honesty, there isn't one vehicle that can do everything perfect but this LX seems to do everything I do almost perfect. I don't think there is another vehicle out there that even interests me as a replacement. I have thought about it and I have already decided that when it is time to move on from this truck I will have to replace it with two vehicles, a full size truck or Yukon/similar SUV and keep a 80 series or similar LC. But for only having one vehicle, this really thing really checks all the boxes. I can't believe that I have had this vehicle for 6 years and I still get in it and think it's ****ing awesome. When I test drive other new SUV's and trucks, I think the LX hold up really well to brand new trucks (except infotainment...). And when I read about the new vehicles or watch YouTube (like Tinkerer's Adventure for example) it really makes it clear that no manufacture is building vehicles with the same quality of the 200 anymore.

These 200 series vehicles are really special. They are the last of their kind. Big V8, heavy duty build quality, no compromises for new tech/emissions/cost cutting. I feel lucky to own one of these and I will be sad when it comes time to move on.





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Great post. I have a 2019 LC but previously had a 2009 LX. I really wish the LC 200 had AHC as an option here. It did in some markets. I miss the AHC and agree with you on all the points. I just like the styling of the LC better. Although yours looks sick as modified.
 
Amen
 
"These 200 series vehicles are really special. They are the last of their kind. Big V8, heavy duty build quality, no compromises for new tech/emissions/cost cutting. I feel lucky to own one of these and I will be sad when it comes time to move on."

^ This. So much this.
 
You may want to watch this for reference and further appreciate the 200 series

He doesnt need to watch that.

He has the real thing.

He doesnt need a fake ladiboi.

No self respecting real Lc owner will be caught dead in a Prado

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@DenverLX beautiful love letter to the 200. Agree 💯! My wife has had 4, 200 series LX over the years. Personally I prefer the LC . Either way - agree that 200 series rocks. I have had them all since the 40 series and I still have 60,62,100,200 in fleet. My fave are 200 and 60.
 
Nice post :) My daughter's Ford Edge grenaded on her and now she's driving the minivan as a medium-term stopgap until she can either fix her car or buy something else. She's been using the kneel function to help her elderly lab get in and out. 🥰 I do like the LX a lot. Moreso than I did when I bought it. But most of the time it's just me and the wife and I would love if I could shave a couple inches off it here and there :hillbilly:
 
HD full fat build and quality. To hammer this home, spend a few minutes to appreciate just how much more.

Video @7:34
 
@DenverLX I've actually come across your build a few times now and I have to give you a shout out. This resonates.

The timing couldn't be better for this post on my part, because I'm currently exploring new vehicle options. I feel like I've been caught between feeling like a curmudgeon who laments "The Glory Days" of this platform going to waste with the American adoption of the 250 but also thinking maybe I just need to let it go and move forward with the current offerings from Mr T. All of this has me appreciating so much how great the LC/ LX is represented in the 200 series platform.

I'm searching for another family hauler, do everything vehicle, now with the added need to tow a travel trailer on a fairly regular basis. I currently have a very nice 100, but just like Tim "The Toolman Taylor", I need more power.

From the curmudgeony side in the name of simplicity I've tried to convince myself I like the 2016-2021 Tundra Platinums, but I've had a Tundra before (after I regrettably sold my Unicorn LX450) and it just feels flimsy. Good truck, just not to my liking.

From the standpoint of trying to embrace new things I have now driven both the new GX 550 and LC and spent quite a bit of time in both - I feel like I'm driving a light duty, poorly disguised 4Runner. Nice enough vehicles but even the inside of the GX doesn't feel like a Lexus-grade vehicle and I'm not a fan of the drivetrain in the new LC for the exact reasons as above.

To get to the point - In my two months of looking I have really started liking the 2016-2021 LX on paper and pictures, and with all the comments on this forum about how "special" the interior is you guys convinced me to go check one out for myself.

This past weekend I went and test drove the closest one I could find - 2017 with Luxury package. I was supremely satisfied just sitting in it. I laughed while on the test drive and couldn't help but think about about far the LX 570 has come since I owned my LX450. It's leagues away and honestly I don't know why a person would consider any other model. I could go on and on but all of you already know.

Anyways - the search is on now for a Black on Black unit. Haven't decided yet if I'm going to keep the 100 or do a mild build on the LX.
 
"This past weekend I went and test drove the closest one I could find - 2017 with Luxury package. I was supremely satisfied just sitting in it. I laughed while on the test drive and couldn't help but think about about far the LX 570 has come since I owned my LX450. It's leagues away and honestly I don't know why a person would consider any other model. I could go on and on but all of you already know."

Yeah, we know.

You'll find yourself smiling while driving....just because.
 
This Nov will be four years with the LC200. I feel like we are still in the dating phase as I am falling in love further and further. Makes me think I better not show this to my wife... :rofl:
 
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@DenverLX I've actually come across your build a few times now and I have to give you a shout out. This resonates.

The timing couldn't be better for this post on my part, because I'm currently exploring new vehicle options. I feel like I've been caught between feeling like a curmudgeon who laments "The Glory Days" of this platform going to waste with the American adoption of the 250 but also thinking maybe I just need to let it go and move forward with the current offerings from Mr T. All of this has me appreciating so much how great the LC/ LX is represented in the 200 series platform.

I'm searching for another family hauler, do everything vehicle, now with the added need to tow a travel trailer on a fairly regular basis. I currently have a very nice 100, but just like Tim "The Toolman Taylor", I need more power.

From the curmudgeony side in the name of simplicity I've tried to convince myself I like the 2016-2021 Tundra Platinums, but I've had a Tundra before (after I regrettably sold my Unicorn LX450) and it just feels flimsy. Good truck, just not to my liking.

From the standpoint of trying to embrace new things I have now driven both the new GX 550 and LC and spent quite a bit of time in both - I feel like I'm driving a light duty, poorly disguised 4Runner. Nice enough vehicles but even the inside of the GX doesn't feel like a Lexus-grade vehicle and I'm not a fan of the drivetrain in the new LC for the exact reasons as above.

To get to the point - In my two months of looking I have really started liking the 2016-2021 LX on paper and pictures, and with all the comments on this forum about how "special" the interior is you guys convinced me to go check one out for myself.

This past weekend I went and test drove the closest one I could find - 2017 with Luxury package. I was supremely satisfied just sitting in it. I laughed while on the test drive and couldn't help but think about about far the LX 570 has come since I owned my LX450. It's leagues away and honestly I don't know why a person would consider any other model. I could go on and on but all of you already know.

Anyways - the search is on now for a Black on Black unit. Haven't decided yet if I'm going to keep the 100 or do a mild build on the LX.
You regret selling the LX450 - would you also regret selling the 100?
 
@trudd I think I would regret it, but I can tell you I had the same feeling of "special" in that 80 that you guys talk about with the 200 - Living in Colorado with all their glorious trails showed me how unstoppable the 80 platform was. I've never felt that in the 100, in fact most of the time I feel like I need to baby it or I'll tear another CV boot or create another God-forsaken rattle up front.

I do still think it's one of the best looking of the LC's but after a failed brake booster while on the highway, a new steering rack, bad alternator, multiple CV's (4), and most recently a broken front diff (which was my fault for thinking it was an 80) - the luster is fading. It feels like a truck stuck between worlds: old world simplicity and new world power and comfort. I feel like it does OK with both but doesn't necessarily excel at either.

What @Dissent has done with their shop 100 is truly impressive making me lust after some 37's. But chopping up a much newer 570 doesn't sound bad either.
 
@DenverLX I've actually come across your build a few times now and I have to give you a shout out. This resonates.

The timing couldn't be better for this post on my part, because I'm currently exploring new vehicle options. I feel like I've been caught between feeling like a curmudgeon who laments "The Glory Days" of this platform going to waste with the American adoption of the 250 but also thinking maybe I just need to let it go and move forward with the current offerings from Mr T. All of this has me appreciating so much how great the LC/ LX is represented in the 200 series platform.

I'm searching for another family hauler, do everything vehicle, now with the added need to tow a travel trailer on a fairly regular basis. I currently have a very nice 100, but just like Tim "The Toolman Taylor", I need more power.

From the curmudgeony side in the name of simplicity I've tried to convince myself I like the 2016-2021 Tundra Platinums, but I've had a Tundra before (after I regrettably sold my Unicorn LX450) and it just feels flimsy. Good truck, just not to my liking.

From the standpoint of trying to embrace new things I have now driven both the new GX 550 and LC and spent quite a bit of time in both - I feel like I'm driving a light duty, poorly disguised 4Runner. Nice enough vehicles but even the inside of the GX doesn't feel like a Lexus-grade vehicle and I'm not a fan of the drivetrain in the new LC for the exact reasons as above.

To get to the point - In my two months of looking I have really started liking the 2016-2021 LX on paper and pictures, and with all the comments on this forum about how "special" the interior is you guys convinced me to go check one out for myself.

This past weekend I went and test drove the closest one I could find - 2017 with Luxury package. I was supremely satisfied just sitting in it. I laughed while on the test drive and couldn't help but think about about far the LX 570 has come since I owned my LX450. It's leagues away and honestly I don't know why a person would consider any other model. I could go on and on but all of you already know.

Anyways - the search is on now for a Black on Black unit. Haven't decided yet if I'm going to keep the 100 or do a mild build on the LX.
So many overlaps between our stories. I've had a triple locked 97 LX that I regret selling, driven first and second generations Tundras, currently on a 6 year run with a 2005 LC, experienced a brake booster fail in the 100, and settled on a black / black LX. I didn't try out the new 250 platform but sitting in them didn't really do much for me. Plus I'm a huge fan of the carpeted tailgate. If you're set on the LX, and you've had the fun 100 brake booster failure, don't write off the 2013-15 range. After having the brake booster failure in my 100, I'm not ready to give up the old school hand brake. The 16+ LX's have the electronic parking brake and living in the crusty northeast climate, they don't fair quite as well when rust gets involved.
 
Curious why the LX 600 (assuming you would buy a 2024 and up without the engine issue) would not fit the bill for you?
 
In my almost 50 years of driving I have owned dozens and dozens of vehicles and my over all favorite is my current 200 series!
 
Interesting timing on this post for me, after over 13 years with my 100 series and putting 300k miles on it, I'm finally ready to start shopping for a 200 series.
 
Just completed my first off-road expedition in our newly purchased '13 200 Series (see story in this section), and was pleased to discover that it works as well as our built 80 Series. I was a bit concerned about how the IFS would handle the bumpy parts (this 200 is also built), but no problems at all.
 
Curious why the LX 600 (assuming you would buy a 2024 and up without the engine issue) would not fit the bill for you?
There is no proof that the engine issue has been fixed.

The LS500 has had the same problems in their V6 TT and Toyota decided instead of fixing it, put the same junk in the new Tundra/LX600. Do I want some dealer monkey who can't even change oil, swap an engine in a brand new car (that is what is happening now) ?

Or buy a 2024 where things haven't been fixed and be subject to the same issue?

My wife gets a new LX every 36 months (has for over 20 years). Her LX6 was part of recall, and this is her last one, till things are actually fixed, instead of some bandaid fix. My sister also dumped her LX600.

If we want to spend our time in dealer waiting rooms and loaner cars, I can buy a Escalade or an Excursion or whatever Ford junk is sold these days.
 

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