Who cares about looks! Is there a diesel option??
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cruiser_guy
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I don't want the hybrid for the same reason I don't want a gasser, too much complexity!
So how do I KNOW if it has the requisite sticker? Mr. Toyota isn't about to stick stickers on vehicles that don't need them! Where do I find out what is required by the powers that be?
Send me a PM or an e-mail outlining it all.
I disagree. Although the US market is a totally different animal than OZ and other world markets, the current 100 turbo diesel is neither noisy nor smelly. The improvements to diesels with electronic injection, intercoolers, common rail etc make these vehicles drive better than gassers. They are extremely smooth and quiet, and their torque comes on very early in the rev range and is generally very flat. They certainly don't sound like a Ford powerstroke truck engine. These engines coupled to a current 5 speed auto, or the upcoming six speed auto make a great combination.
If they are released in the Tundra as mentioned earlier, there may be a chance for the LC. They don't offer the diesel in the LX in OZ. Of course, if and when you get the chance to drive one you may be very suprised, although you may still be bent on the gasser, we will have to wait and see. Here is a power and torque curve of the old 100 turbo diesel, a nice flat torque curve with maximum torque at low revs, I can't wait to se what the V8 twin turbo curves will be like. My 0.02
Edit: The old six cylinder engine is in the graph below, but the new v8 has a few different attributes
# 4.5 litre V8 turbo diesel engine
# Variable vane turbocharger with intercooler
# DOHC (Direct Over Head Camshafts) with 32 valves with common-rail direct injection
# Meets strict Euro IV emission standards
This is of course in the work utes, what turbos the LC 200 gets , who knows
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Just found this write up, it is interesting that GM are going this way
Mark your calendars, because we're calling today a watershed moment for the advancement of diesel's acceptance in the U.S. General Motors has just announced a new 4.5L V8 Duramax turbo-diesel powerplant it plans to use in the Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra half-ton pickups, as well as the HUMMER H2. The new oil burner is expected to produce at least 310 horsepower and 520 ft-lbs. of torque. It features dual-overhead cams, four valves per cylinder, a variable-vane turbocharger and aluminum cylinder heads with integrated manifolding that helps keep the overall package small enough to fit in the same space as the automaker's small-block gas V8s.
That's right, just imagine the possibilities. Wherever GM uses a small-block V8 gas engine, it could potentially use the 4.5L V8 Duramax diesel. In a few years we could be driving diesel Impalas, diesel Camaros, maybe even a diesel Corvette! To quote GM's press release, the engine's small size gives it "the flexibility to introduce this engine in a wide variety of vehicle applications should there be future market demand."
Taken from http://www.spyshots.autoblog.com/20...lean-diesel-v8-for-pickups-and-the-hummer-h2/
Mark your calendars, because we're calling today a watershed moment for the advancement of diesel's acceptance in the U.S. General Motors has just announced a new 4.5L V8 Duramax turbo-diesel powerplant it plans to use in the Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra half-ton pickups, as well as the HUMMER H2. The new oil burner is expected to produce at least 310 horsepower and 520 ft-lbs. of torque. It features dual-overhead cams, four valves per cylinder, a variable-vane turbocharger and aluminum cylinder heads with integrated manifolding that helps keep the overall package small enough to fit in the same space as the automaker's small-block gas V8s.
That's right, just imagine the possibilities. Wherever GM uses a small-block V8 gas engine, it could potentially use the 4.5L V8 Duramax diesel. In a few years we could be driving diesel Impalas, diesel Camaros, maybe even a diesel Corvette! To quote GM's press release, the engine's small size gives it "the flexibility to introduce this engine in a wide variety of vehicle applications should there be future market demand."
Taken from http://www.spyshots.autoblog.com/20...lean-diesel-v8-for-pickups-and-the-hummer-h2/
Can someone please finally explain what this crap is all about?
In other words, let me quote the Geico Caveman: "Yeah, I have a response: Uh, What?!"
It's about time we got some common sense options and stop being told what to buy by the so-called experts who have NO IDEA what people REALLY want!
GAW!!!
Well I don't blame you guys. You have obviously never seen one of these marvels go. Your trouble is, you blindly believe your 'experts' way too much... Ah well, it's your loss...
Well, we could just spam Toyota of North America with mass emails requesting diesels. At least it would generate some attention, and like David Letterman once said "any publicity is good publicity".
Toyota already has a simillar engine available for the... 70 series Landcruiser in OZ, Europe and other parts of the world!!!
But we can't get it here!!!
As for "Diesel Corvettes"... Don't make me laugh, there are already Diesel Audis... One won the LeMans 24 hour race...
http://www.americanlemans.com/News/Article.aspx?ID=1872
I guess it's better late than never for GM
As I mentioned in my previous post!
Wait and see if the rumours about the Tundra are true
Well diesel engines have alsol been winning the ocean going racing boats IIRCAs for "Diesel Corvettes"... Don't make me laugh, there are already Diesel Audis... One won the LeMans 24 hour race...
http://www.americanlemans.com/News/Article.aspx?ID=1872
I guess it's better late than never for GM
I always bug them about once a month on the diesel option:
You can too:
http://toyota.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...JnBfcHY9Mi4yMjUmcF9jdj0mcF9wYWdlPTE*&p_srch=1
I heard the new diesel for the 100 will be 4.7L and twin turbo. And the rumor regarding a smaller Duramax has been going for 3-years. Although I heard the smaller Duramax was going to be V-6 based. Interesting news on the V-8 DM!
Simple: US Cruiser/LX buyers do not want diesel motors. Period. Cruisers buyers are not Tundra load haulers!
cruiser_guy
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Simple: US Cruiser/LX buyers do not want diesel motors. Period. Cruisers buyers are not Tundra load haulers!
This one does!!!
I flat out WON'T buy a non-diesel powered 'Cruiser! No gas and no hybrid.
Hmmm... He said "US buyers"... I thought you were a Cannuck, from your bio?
I feel for you, man... On the one hand ShottsUZJ100 is stating the cold statistics (Call me a dreamer, but I can't possibly believe he really means it for himself), OTOH there you are, one of the vocal few like myself who are sick and tired of being bullied by the diesel haters and simply want choice and not to be persecuted (by tariffs and 15 or 25 year rules) for wanting what everyone else who's got any common sense in the world gets (except for Americans, it would appear, but is there any common sense left in America?!), Thrifty, Durable, Energy-efficient Diesels!!!.
I feel for you, man... On the one hand ShottsUZJ100 is stating the cold statistics (Call me a dreamer, but I can't possibly believe he really means it for himself), OTOH there you are, one of the vocal few like myself who are sick and tired of being bullied by the diesel haters and simply want choice and not to be persecuted (by tariffs and 15 or 25 year rules) for wanting what everyone else who's got any common sense in the world gets (except for Americans, it would appear, but is there any common sense left in America?!), Thrifty, Durable, Energy-efficient Diesels!!!.
Well as pointed out he does says say us buyers, so of course Shotts and his crew don't want them but others might!
I do think the attitude in the USA is changing, and with lots of countries going to the EURO 4 emissions there will may be greater availability. I think Australia has now updated the last fuel refinery to the new standard for diesel (50ppm sulphur IIRC) and the USA is implementing it to some degree as mentioned on MUD here previously, so maybe Toyota will hold off another year or so to get more fuel availability. These engines will run on the older 500ppm sulphur diesel IIRC, but the emissions aren't as good, and I am not sure if it affects the longevity of the cat convertor or not.
I do think the attitude in the USA is changing, and with lots of countries going to the EURO 4 emissions there will may be greater availability. I think Australia has now updated the last fuel refinery to the new standard for diesel (50ppm sulphur IIRC) and the USA is implementing it to some degree as mentioned on MUD here previously, so maybe Toyota will hold off another year or so to get more fuel availability. These engines will run on the older 500ppm sulphur diesel IIRC, but the emissions aren't as good, and I am not sure if it affects the longevity of the cat convertor or not.
Simple: US Cruiser/LX buyers do not want diesel motors. Period. Cruisers buyers are not Tundra load haulers!
He was mostly likely refering to the australian market there genious
cruiser_guy
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I do have a "Plan B" if Toyota Canada and/or Toyota USA doesn't come through with a diesel and that is buy it when I'm in Central America where they get Land Cruisers worthy of the name!
However as to whether folks in the states want a diesel or not one needs only to look at the number of folks willing to swap in a diesel to know the fallacy of that argument. There's a fellow currently talking about spending $10,000+ on a diesel conversion of an FJ55. Fellows like that would likely look positively at a new DIESEL 'Cruiser if one were offered.
Yes, I'm Canadian and that comes in handy at times outside of North America!
However as to whether folks in the states want a diesel or not one needs only to look at the number of folks willing to swap in a diesel to know the fallacy of that argument. There's a fellow currently talking about spending $10,000+ on a diesel conversion of an FJ55. Fellows like that would likely look positively at a new DIESEL 'Cruiser if one were offered.
Yes, I'm Canadian and that comes in handy at times outside of North America!
yeah, there are diesel luxury SUVs, ML320CDI, GL320CDI, R320CDI,
also, luxury cars with diesel E320CDI etc etc in Canada and I'm seeing more and more of those on the road
and this is mercedes we're talking about, the premier name of Luxury
Better tell that to all the Europeans and Aussies (and others) who love the diesels in their stupid huge Luxo boats.
IMHO it is just a question of $, gas price in US ain't high enough to justify a 5,6,7-10k diesel option. You will still save more $ using gasoline, unless gas price are really high.
Gas price being higher in Canada and Europe is the simple reason why they have more diesel, because the option is well worth it, but only if you do 40-50km a year.
The only reason diesel pickup are being made in the US, is for commercial hauling purpose.
Get your gasoline price up steady at over 4-5$ a gallon, then the diesel option will come...
Has sad has it sound, i think that is the only reason.
BTW that is what we pay here, about 4$ a gallon
Gas price being higher in Canada and Europe is the simple reason why they have more diesel, because the option is well worth it, but only if you do 40-50km a year.
The only reason diesel pickup are being made in the US, is for commercial hauling purpose.
Get your gasoline price up steady at over 4-5$ a gallon, then the diesel option will come...
Has sad has it sound, i think that is the only reason.
BTW that is what we pay here, about 4$ a gallon
