I modified the text. The engine has been out for a bit however not available in the USA.
uzj100
uzj100
Who cares about looks! Is there a diesel option??
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HZJ60 Guy
Tank Buster
Uh no, there's not.
cruiser_guy
Out of Africa / North Africa
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Uh no, there's not.
Not in the states and Canada of course because we don't get the good stuff (at least not since the BJ60's and HJ60's in the '80's in Canada) but what about other markets?
Can you get the twin turbo V8 diesel elsewhere in the 'Cruiser?
If they don't offer the twin turbo V8 in the NZ/Australia market, then they won't sell many.
The vast majority of 4wd's sold here are diesel.
The US hasnt lost its edge in diesel technology. the Cummins and the powerstroke are the two best diesels on the market today. It makes finanacial sense to farm the manfacture of these engines to Cummins and International. How long have those two companies been making diesels? maybe 200 years in combined experience in engine manfacturing.
Diesels are superior to gas engines in every respect. The diesel truck market in the US has exploded in the last 10 years. These same owners are open to driving a diesel car. They just dont want to drive a POS tree hugger
Volkswagen. customers like options, give them options and they will buy diesel cars in droves. The US cosumer remembers the crappy mercedes and VW engines of the late 70's and 80's but that has changed quite a bit.
Diesels are superior to gas engines in every respect. The diesel truck market in the US has exploded in the last 10 years. These same owners are open to driving a diesel car. They just dont want to drive a POS tree hugger
Volkswagen. customers like options, give them options and they will buy diesel cars in droves. The US cosumer remembers the crappy mercedes and VW engines of the late 70's and 80's but that has changed quite a bit.
The US never had an edge to lose in diesel engines. It was the US V8 diesel efforts which poisoned the US consumers, the mercedes and VW engines were never the problem, they're still in use today.
The ones you mention (powerstroke, cummins) are only used in heavy trucks. There's nothing from the US in high performance engines (though many tuners doing the job), especially ones which meet emissions standards.
The europeans are current kings of diesel engine technology, with the japanese only a small step behind.
cruiser_guy
Out of Africa / North Africa
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NO, it wasn't the Mercedes and VW engines that poisoned the US diesel market, it was GM and the biggest POS diesel the world has ever seen that poisoned the market!
In the late '70's with the fuel crisis going on GM decided that their venerable 350 gasser could become a deisel with a simple head transplant. Needless to say, the GM engineers needed the head transplant as the 350 was NOT good enough to be a diesel and they often failed under 100,000 miles. It took the US automakers a full decade to figure out that a gasser is NOT a diesel and NEVER will be.
When I bought my BJ60 (a Toyota DIESEL engine, NOT a converted gasser) I was looked on at the office as a complete idiot because everyone "knew" that diesels were crap, after all the boss had THREE GM POS diesels in his Malibu before he gave up and went with a gasser. My BJ60 however is a "High Miler" http://www.toyotatrucknation.com/read_story.php?s=all&lp=1&cr=2 something that GM engines of the day could not acheive!!
Cummins and International were called in, along with Izuzu for the DuraMax, to make the diesel engines for the big three because they couldn't do it themselves!!
Jim_Chow
V8_Fan
I would expect North America to get the LC w/ V8 and hybrid options and the rest of the world gets the V8 or TD.
I've ridden in Toyota TD's in Japan (a 2.2 liter in the Toyota Crown luxury sedan and 3 liter 1KZ-TE in the hilux surf). Neither bellows any smoke. You can smell the exhaust only if you're standing behind the tailpipe. In the sedan, you can't even hear the diesel. Even standing outside either vehicle, you can barely hear the tick-tick of the diesel. BTW, the Crown got 35mpg (RWD), hilux surf got 25mpg (part-time 4wd).
The low sulfur diesel requirement went into effect already this year, so virtually all stations should be selling it by now.
One major problem is public perception here. When people here the word "diesel," they think of trucks belching clouds of black smoke and rattling noise (like w/ the Dodge Ram trucks). Even the Hino (Toyota Dyna 4WD TD) flatbed my in-laws own doesn't nearly make as much noise as any domestic diesel pickup.
I've ridden in Toyota TD's in Japan (a 2.2 liter in the Toyota Crown luxury sedan and 3 liter 1KZ-TE in the hilux surf). Neither bellows any smoke. You can smell the exhaust only if you're standing behind the tailpipe. In the sedan, you can't even hear the diesel. Even standing outside either vehicle, you can barely hear the tick-tick of the diesel. BTW, the Crown got 35mpg (RWD), hilux surf got 25mpg (part-time 4wd).
The low sulfur diesel requirement went into effect already this year, so virtually all stations should be selling it by now.
One major problem is public perception here. When people here the word "diesel," they think of trucks belching clouds of black smoke and rattling noise (like w/ the Dodge Ram trucks). Even the Hino (Toyota Dyna 4WD TD) flatbed my in-laws own doesn't nearly make as much noise as any domestic diesel pickup.
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I hope we get the TD and not the gas hybrid. Gas hybrid is so over hyped.
Check out this Gas and Diesel combo engine from MB. The DiesOtto. Amazing stats from 4 cylinders.
http://www.whnet.com/4x4/diesel.html
Check out this Gas and Diesel combo engine from MB. The DiesOtto. Amazing stats from 4 cylinders.
http://www.whnet.com/4x4/diesel.html
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That would be SWEET!
cruiser_guy
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A V8 gasser or a Hybrid will NOT be in my driveway any time soon!!
I don't even think of filling my Audi Q7's tank until it has done over 500 miles. It is fast, frugal and very quiet. Certainly quieter than many gas cars inside.
Since 2000 I have had a Merc 270cdi, a BMW X5 diesel [both assembled in the USA] a diesel Range Rover, a diesel Ford Ranger pick-up, a diesel Fiat Panda [a remarkable Polish built 1300cc] and several other common rail/variable vane turbo machines. I also have a 100series with 1-HD FTE turbo intercooled. This now has over 120,000 miles on it and goes like new. It is my daily drive but is nowhere near as efficient, powerfull or refined as the others mentioned above. It is well past its sell-by date and the new V8 is long overdue. Pity about the ex-Mitsub ishi pig-ugly new body style though
I don't even think of filling my Audi Q7's tank until it has done over 500 miles. It is fast, frugal and very quiet. Certainly quieter than many gas cars inside.
Since 2000 I have had a Merc 270cdi, a BMW X5 diesel [both assembled in the USA] a diesel Range Rover, a diesel Ford Ranger pick-up, a diesel Fiat Panda [a remarkable Polish built 1300cc] and several other common rail/variable vane turbo machines. I also have a 100series with 1-HD FTE turbo intercooled. This now has over 120,000 miles on it and goes like new. It is my daily drive but is nowhere near as efficient, powerfull or refined as the others mentioned above. It is well past its sell-by date and the new V8 is long overdue. Pity about the ex-Mitsub ishi pig-ugly new body style though
I wish we here in the US of A could get high line SUV's in diesel
..I guess I'll have to get a F-350 King Ranch Powerstroke 
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I wish we here in the US of A could get high line SUV's in diesel
LR Lifestyle mag last month had an article claiming a good possibility that we will get the new Peugot built TDV8 diesel in the Range Rover (so probably in the RRS and the Discovery 3)...hopefully we'll at least get the TD6.
If they do it hopefully that means others are thinking the same thing.
I bought a Ford PSD a few years back. Worked great towing the D90 around.
Lots of diesels coming to the US. The Q7 will be here next year. Toyota needs to get on the ball with this.
uzj100
uzj100
I wish we here in the US of A could get high line SUV's in diesel
I believe that about 95% of premium large SUV's sold in the UK and most of Europe are diesel powered. So much so that Land Rover/Range Rover are thinking of ditching gas engines locally. Even X5's, Merc Mclass, G class, Range Rover and all model Land Cruisers and Rav4 are overwhelmingly sold as diesel model. So are Audi and VW models including about 50% of their cars of all sizes down to the Polo.
Only in the lighter duty economy section is there a smattering of petrol engines. Some Rav4, about half the Honda CRV's and similar.
Yes Honda have a superb diesel engine fitted to the Civic, Accord, the CRV and others.
In the premium SUV sector the only volume offering without a diesel option is the Porche Cayenne and [the quite rare in comparison] Lexus RX300 [i think its called].
There's reasons diesels are popular in other countries. There's reasons that non-diesels are preferred in the US (and by the vast majority).
Just because most of the world is diesel doesn't mean the engines are better.
Non-Diesels are preferred in the US because of the GM debacle. I am thinking it was conspiracy with some of the GM guys and the gas guys from Texas. The USA should have been wened off of inefficient gas power plants 10 to 15 years ago instead we have marketing people make decisions for us. The power plants are tested and developed and meet the emissions standards, let us decide if we want to purchase them or not. Not some knuckle headed marketing guy that thinks he knows more than the US consumer.
I would prefer a turbo diesel suv with three rows of seats, automatic transmission, a rear ac system, three locking diffs, factory winch, factory rear tire carrier and stability control about the size of the current 100 series. Is that to much to ask? Charge me for them, let me decide if I want them or not!
Gas is lame and to argue any other way is like arguing that a jeep is built as well as a Land Cruiser. It just does not make sense.
The GM guys and gas guys from Texas will be laughing for sometime about this one that they pulled on the US car buying public. Yeah, Exxon making 10.4 billion in three months should tell you just how hard they are laughing. They are saying, "Look at all these suckers, that we have been sucking money from all these years!"
uzj100
I would prefer a turbo diesel suv with three rows of seats, automatic transmission, a rear ac system, three locking diffs, factory winch, factory rear tire carrier and stability control about the size of the current 100 series. Is that to much to ask? Charge me for them, let me decide if I want them or not!
Gas is lame and to argue any other way is like arguing that a jeep is built as well as a Land Cruiser. It just does not make sense.
The GM guys and gas guys from Texas will be laughing for sometime about this one that they pulled on the US car buying public. Yeah, Exxon making 10.4 billion in three months should tell you just how hard they are laughing. They are saying, "Look at all these suckers, that we have been sucking money from all these years!"
uzj100
Very well could be. At this point though the US i spoiled by smooth and killer running gas engines. I doubt many would ever give them up. I can't imagine a POC diesel in my smoooooth 100. YUCK! Though I do understand your reason for wanting one. It's a personal thing.
Can you imagine the typical US buyers test ride in a Cadillac with a smooth V8 and then a Lexus 600H if it had a diesel? Lexus wouldn't sell many 600H's?
Have you been in a modern diesel, MB CDI? Go this weekend and check it out. You will scare the guys with your bad A$$ 100 and get a test drive in one sweet machine. Actually, I believe diesel hybrid will be the lead engine in 20 years or so.
