wheel bearings: Timken/Koyo vs SKF/BCA/Beck etc?

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Landpimp said:
I had one..........worthless IMOP. Got a Snap On......its very nice, no greese gun needed, put bearing in.......push......cleans out the old.....pushes in the new and it all stays inside the unit. About $30
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_...&group_ID=1547&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog


Landpimp, snap-on advertises that you can do 50-65 bearing with one fill??? Seem like a lot for such a small unit. I'm not sure on the pushing the old grease part. Do you feel that it flushes (pushes) all the old grease out? What I'm getting at is if you are changing type of grease would you want to clean it manually then use the Snap-on tool to repack or do you feel that the tool cleans out the old good enough. Looks like a slick set up with less mess.

Phil
 
e9999 said:
let us know what you find out about Autozone, am curious.

Bearing wise, I just clean the excess grease off with a paper towel and then soak it in solvent and go at it with a toothbrush. Been wondering whether this Sears repacking gizmo is worth having...

E

Eric,

I just gave them a call, and gave them the same part numbers that I used to get the bearings before, and no dice. Not sure what the deal is. He indicated they may have been superceeded by another brand. When he ran it through based on the vehicle make, it came up with a brand I wasn't familiar with and the set was around $100. He said a bearing store would carry the Timkins. I'll try that tomorrow.

:beer:
Rookie2
 
Timken#------Autozone#-----Autozone$
JLM104948-----000977---------4.99
JLM104910-----172544---------12.99
JLM102949------N/A
JLM102910------N/A
Set 47-----------199121--------16.99

And of course set 47 is the N/A bearing and race.
 
You can buy Timkins in Toyota boxes for around $106.10 for a set....:D
 
scottm said:
Timken#------Autozone#-----Autozone$
JLM104948-----000977---------4.99
JLM104910-----172544---------12.99
JLM102949------N/A
JLM102910------N/A
Set 47-----------199121--------16.99

And of course set 47 is the N/A bearing and race.

Scott, this is amazing.
I got a quote from Autozone on the bearings listed for the TLC (not by Timken number which may matter) and the computer pulled up
$25 for the inner (p/n 051-3640)
and
$20 for the outer (p/n 051-3632).
Both were listed as Beck/Arnley.

So what the ???

Maybe cuz this is the PRK? Or maybe cuz they were listed as TLC which is -as we all know- only for rich mallcruising soccer moms?

sheesh...

E

latest: called Autozone. Gave them the AZ numbers above by Scott. They couldn't find anything. Then told them set 47. They found it. When I asked the p/n number they gave me Scott's. When I remarked on that, they told me that the p/n Scott mentioned are "inventory" numbers... sheesh...
But then the other 2 had vastly different prices, so probably not the same part....
oh well....
 
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cruiserdan said:
You can buy Timkins in Toyota boxes for around $106.10 for a set....:D

I'm away from home, but I think you sent me Koyos. Are the Koyos in Toyota boxes more or less than the Timkens in Toyota boxes?

Also, at our local NAPA I've bought Beck Arnley bearings for one of my Cruisers and inside I had the nice Toyota plastic with Koyo bearings. Not all Beck Arnley stuff is repackaged Toyota stuff but sometime it is :)

Oh and my 2 cents for this topic which nobody has mentioned. Don't screw around with the non Toyota seals. Every non Toyota wheel bearing seal I've used has leaked. Never had a Toyota one go bad. I probably have 125,000 miles total on LC seals I've replaced and probably another 40k in Toyota mini truck seals (same thing). Never any problems. Everytime I've been in a pinch and used a NAPA or Schucks or Checker or Champion seal it has caused problems within 10k.
 
I called Autozone down the street just now to give you those numbers. They told me the Timken #s are just as quick to look up as the Autozone #s, but I got them just the same. Is there another Autozone you could call? Or could a competitor use those Autozone #s to look them up? This seems very strange.
 
The real skinny is in the Timken catalog

http://www.timken.com/products/bearings/pdf/BrgDimenChap5-9.pdf

There you'll find all the numbers to build your own bearings, or determine if another bearing matches every dimension exactly. Chapter six page 106 if this doesn't take you right there, then find the Timken numbers previously posted.
 
And if there is anybody out there who is wondering why we even worry about bearings, here is an interesting (I think) anecdote:

"Do you know what was one of the very first primary objectives of the Allied during WW2 when they begun bombing Germany?"

yup, you guessed it: Bearing factories! Think about it: how many pieces of machinery can you design / build without bearings?

E
 
The OEM Koyos in Toyota boxes run about 40% more (142 bucks) than Timkins.
 
here is the latest from my local Autozone: AAAARGHH!

actually went there to find out what is going on. First guy I talked to, I gave him the Timken numbers, he could not find anything. Then gave him the store numbers, could not find anything. Says there is no such thing.

Finally another guy comes over and helps the first one figure out how to enter the p/n. Turns out they had some but you would not have known from talking only to the first guy. Goes to show you how knowledgeable they are. At least he was speaking spanish...

Anyway, the p/n above were good but oddly, the prices weres somewhat different:
172544 (it is a Timken JLM104910) was $3.99
199121 (set 47) was $16.99
000977 (JLM104948) was $7.99
Total still much lower than local bearing house.

the CR grease seal they didn't have but was about $14 (2x price of Kragen).

Conclusion: Autozone has weird pricing, with apparently fluctuations on the same thing depending on how it's listed on their computer. And some of their folks don't know jack. But handy in a pinch.

oh well....

E
 
Latest development, to increase the confusion a bit more... :eek:

Was talking to a bearing guy and he says that the "JLM" bearing number prefix is metric but that the "LM" is inches.
But the bearing number I found in the previous threads for the outer wheel bearing was given as "LM etc". The inner was a JLM. So is this a typo or does that spindle actually use both metric and inch bearings at the same time? The latter would be pretty weird, I would think.

Anybody has kept an OEM box or bearing and could see if it says "JLM" or "LM" ?

sheesh....

thanks
E
 
While I usually order my parts from CDan, I did order 2 bearing sets from Marlin recently. Chris Geiger on this board actually answered the phone and helped me out. The bearings are very nice Japan made Koyos, the seal is exactly like the Toyota seal, but I'm not sure it's Toyota. The gaskets are paper and clearly not Toyota. When I ordered they were $45 for the kit of inner and outer bearing plus lock washer, grease seal and paper gaskets. I think they lowered the price a few $ in the last couple of weeks. THat's a good deal in my opinion for high quality bearings.

I have also used Timkins from Autozone-$36 here for the set.
 
This was the pricing I paid two weeks ago.

172544 (it is a Timken JLM104910) was $3.99
199121 (set 47) was $16.99
000977 (JLM104948) was $7.99


I could pick up the bearings cheaper via an industrial discount (Kaman bearings) but they had to order them and the savings was $6 for the sets. AZ said they had them. Three days and three trips later I finally got all the pieces. They had to pick up pieces from other stores and forgot one of the races which accounted for the third trip.

Not all SKF branded bearings are made in Mexico. We do PM's on equipment every two and six months and typically change 5 bearings on Diffusion furnaces for a Semiconductor company. For the 9 years I've worked there they have had "made in Japan" stamped on them. They come in a plain red, blue and white box.
 
so does anybody know if the original OEM outer bearing is a "JLMetc" or a "LMetc" ? I have a hard time believing they would have used an inch spec ("LMetc") for one of the bearings, and I imagine the dimensions would be different...
thanks
Eric
 
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