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Ah, the club house. All great info without all the ..............

OK, back to the subject. Thanks guys, almost forgot about Toyo! I had a set long ago on my old Mitsu truck and they were great, but that was then.
I'm also looking at the Yokohama GEO Lander, and that Nitto might be up there too. I just want something that will balance at this point.
 
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OK are you getting the OCATII in 285/75/18?
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Yes, as soon as they become available. These will be on my 2nd set of wheels that currently have the same size OC AT mounted.
 
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JonHaris for example has had 12 new tires put on that truck in the last year or so, I believe in that same size you mentioned above. Horray road hazard warranty.
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ah yes, If it wasn't for Sam's Clubs awesome no questions asked road hazard I would have moved on long ago from the AT. Love the tire, hate the sidewall.

Looking for a 16" MT at this point. Probably going the 315/75R16 route but would love it if there were options for a tall skinny 35 on a 16" wheel. 285/85R16 would be a great size. Wonder why they are not offered by many manufacturers.
 
I stopped by one of our local Les Schwab tire stores last week to inquire about the new Toyo Open Country AT2. They had the Xtreme model on the showroom floor in a different size than 285/75R18 and I was very impressed with the tread block design and void area updates.

Although Toyo still has a fair number/excess inventory of OC AT tires in their system in 285/75R18, which according to the counter person is why this size has not yet been released in the new OC AT2 model, the new design sure looks like it will meet 99%+ of my needs.

My biggest complaint on my Goodyear MT/R Kevlars: Continued balance issues/relatively poor quality control and the fact I've punctured 3 tires. Discount Tire has/is taking care of all issues apart of their great service but for Goodyear's latest MSRP of $458 EACH for the MT/R Kevlar in 285/75R18 without any improvement in molds/tire construction is a bit of a slap in the face!

BTW: Toyo now offers this size for those thinking they need more width: 12.50 x 35" x 18" also in the Xtreme model variant. However Toyo lists 65lbs each for the OC2 in 285/75R18 and 80lbs(!) in the 12.50"x35"x18" size. However I don't want to go back to 1" wheel spacers in front so no temptation here ;)

As soon as the OC2 is available in 285/75R18 they'll be on my rig shortly thereafter with return comments FWIW.
 
Well will they hook me up with a set of OCs for half off? I'd buy a set!

I've only had one puncture with the Toyo MTs and I think it was due to overly aggressive driving on extremely sharp rocks.

I've been thinking to move to the OCIIs when the MTs wear down in 25k miles.
 
Looks like ~$300ea ++ for the OCAT2. I was only able to get ~20k miles out of 2 full sets of OC AT in 285/75R18. That's also an insult given that's ~12k miles less tread life than what I'm getting out of the GY MT/R Kevlars! They'd HAVE to be 1/2 price!
 
I'd be interested to know where the new ATII's are manufactured. I believe the MT's were made in Japan, US and Asia but all sold in the US at some time or another. Should it matter? Maybe not but the price might reflect it.
 
Just had a set of Toyo Open Country AT2 in 285/75R18 mounted to my '03+ wheels. Took Discount Tire less than a week to get them here...3-days in fact; best tire shop around AFAIK.

FWIW: I might have been able to, due to the relatively narrow cross section of the new Toyos, have gone to the 12.50x35"x18" size...dunno.

My original Toyo OC AT tires are made in Japan whereas these are made in the USA. Took minimal lead to balance and they are smooth although, I suspect due to the tougher sidewalls, stiffer riding (same psi) than my Goodyear MT/R Kevlars in the same size. This size gets the "Extreme" labeling and slightly more aggressive side wall lugs. I was surprised to discover, via the tire installer, this model variant has bold raised lettering on one side and near smooth/non-raised lettering on the other side. What you see below is the raised side of the tire sidewalls.

Although Toyo improved the aesthetic appearance of this AT the Goodyear MT/R Kevlar tires IMO still look a ton better. But with the 50,000 mile treadlife warranty I think it will be a great choice for 90% of my driving.

While getting these installed my guys at Discount Tire found another one of my MT/R Kevlar tires (rear tire, inside sidewall) with a sidewall hole that was slowly leaking. This happened in Death Valley a couple weeks ago along with surface rubber slices to another of my MT/R Kevlar tires.

So...thankfully I have the extended warranty on these and they're going to replace it at no charge. Actually I'm going to take the credit on a new set of Toyo OC MT in 285/75R18 as after 4 MT/R Kevlar's that have been ruined from sidewall cuts I've had my fill, once again, of Goodyear.

Its unfortunate because I really, really like the MT/R Kevlar tread design. C'est la vie.

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What was your out the door pricing on these if I may ask?
 
$290/ea net. Total with stems, install, tax, extended warranty ($43.90ea) was $1507.

This is the 3rd set of Toyota OC AT/AT2s...the sidewalls felt every bit as thick as my others and with more void and 50k mile warranty should be good.
 
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Dan, thanks for the update. Those might be my next tires. I like that they are 65lbs, the same as the equivalent sized MT/R-K's. The Toyo MT's, as you suspected, seem to have the same internal construction, just 5.5lbs more rubber per tire.
 
I need to weigh the new tire/wheel combo to get the actual tire weight. But they, just like my Toyo OC AT of same size, feel noticeably heavier than the MT/R Kevlar tires when driving.

FWIW: Using our bathroom scale (don't know how accurate it really is...) the 18" Tundra wheel with Toyo OC AT (new) was 99lbs.

The 18" LC wheel is 1lb lighter than the Tundra wheel (both 8" width).

I'm battling a cold but I'll try to get some actual tire weight data posted ASAP.


Its unfortunate Goodyear can't build a round, balanced tire with a tougher casing and sidewall because I really, really like how the MT/R Kevlar tread design works in a wide variety of conditions: Hardpack, loose, pavement (relative to a high void tire), snow, ice, wet, etc.) I remember when I ran the Toyo OC AT and cornering off-road was not predictable at all...they'd hold and then just let go unpredictably instead of allowing the rig to drift. But the MT/R on the same trails and same conditions really allow for noticeably better, predictable and neutral performance. Oh well...it is what it is.

Curious to feel how the new OC AT2 with less void handles off-road. I feel confident, however, the tire will be much more puncture resistant than the GYs. Speaking of GY. Although the Duratrac seems to get generally good reviews I've got a buddy with an 80 that punctured one on a smooth gravel road that 6-of us rolled down together...ruined it. And it wasn't caused by low inflation.
 
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OK, you guys are starting to convince me to keep my 18's. I've always wanted a tall skiny 35" but price has driven me away for the most part. Having used nothing but BFG and GY tires I've been hesitant to change to another brand. After working in a tire shop for several years I had good reasons for that loyalty. however Toyo was a brand we never stocked so I had no experience with them. A 295 width appeals to me much more than 315 and Toyos pricing is very competitive. It looks like I can get the 285/75R18 OC MT for $30-$50 less per tire than 315/75R16 BFG MTs. I'm pretty sure I want the MTs for what I want out of the truck. Now to see if I can get these delivered to my favorite Tire shop. And then there are (8) 16" wheels I bought over the last year. I'm sure I would have no problem selling those.

Blair. Now that you have some miles on them, can you give any comparisons between the the MT vs AT?
 
Jon, I see you have a Discount Tire in GJ. They're just the best. Their extended warranty covers any type of damage: No exclusions for "off-road" like most other EWs. And they will price match any advertised price including internet pricing (internet + shipping which is fair).

Our Discount Tire stores do not carry Toyo brand but they were 100% willing to get them and in the end they were even less than they originally quoted me ($10 less each) and less than any internet pricing I could find.

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I, after sleeping on this for a couple days, decided I'm going to give these new AT2s a good workout before I opt for yet more MT tires. With their considerable more void than the original OC AT I might just be able to make them work all the time.

And you definitely want 18"'s...because when you upgrade to Stoptech BBK in front you need the clearance of 18's :D
 
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Jon, I see you have a Discount Tire in GJ. They're just the best. Their extended warranty covers any type of damage: No exclusions for "off-road" like most other EWs. And they will price match any advertised price including internet pricing (internet + shipping which is fair).

Our Discount Tire stores do not carry Toyo brand but they were 100% willing to get them and in the end they were even less than they originally quoted me ($10 less each) and less than any internet pricing I could find.

Just an FYI for ya...

I, after sleeping on this for a couple days, decided I'm going to give these new AT2s a good workout before I opt for yet more MT tires. With their considerable more void than the original OC AT I might just be able to make them work all the time.

And you definitely want 18"'s...because when you upgrade to Stoptech BBK in front you need the clearance of 18's :D
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Thanks Dan. Yes. Discount is the only other tire shop I will go into in GJ. They do good work. I worked at and currently buy all my rubber from Sam's Club. They have the same no questions asked road/off-road warrantee and I've made goo use of it. I'll probably price shop the two, checking Sam's for availability and end up going with which ever is less expensive.
 
A couple plusses for 18" wheels: Better air circulation around rotor & caliper. At least in theory brakes should benefit. And since going to 18's I've had zero issue with stones getting caught between wheel and caliper. I had issues with the adhesive style wheel weights being torn off...but no issue with this since going to 18's.

Related: Eliminating the "dust" shield apart of the BBK install completely eliminated stones getting caught between said dust shield and rotor too...
 
Ok...here's what I get with our bathroom scale. I wish I had a more accurate scale but it is what it is. All weights are with balancing lead so another error point; the GY tires took 2-3x more lead typically to balance so that makes the original Toyo OC AT a hair lighter.

18x8 Tundra 5-spoke wheel with new 285/75R18 GY MT/R Kevlar: 29lbs + 70lbs = 99lbs total weight
18x8 Tundra 5-spoke wheel with new 285/75R18 Toyo Open Country AT: 29lbs + 70lbs = 99lbs total weight
18x8 '03+ LC 5-spoke wheel with new 285/75R18 Toyo Open Country AT2: 28lbs + 67lbs = 95lbs total weight

For whatever reason the Toyo OC AT and AT2 feel heavier when rolling down the road than the GY MT/R Kevlars. Maybe softer rubber? But now after 3-sets of Toyo OC AT/AT2 and 3-sets of GY MT/R Kevlar I can feel the difference when going back and forth between them...
 
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