AltFuel What is this? Magic? Ripoff? Biofuel related...

[Jan-78FJ40]

http://www.dieselsecret.com/

Please have a look at this, and let me know what you think.

I know it sounds too good to be true, and there is not a lot of specific information there. The FAQ section and the email questions are answered pretty well. I also emailed them a list of questions yesterday, and got very precise answers today.

Has anyone heared of this? Am I being a complete fool?
I have a pretty good chemistry and biology education, so it would not surprise me if there were ways to make oil less viscous.

Anyway, I'd really like to hear some input.

Stone, please do not move this to chat for now, it will die there with a bunch of sarcastic answers, but I'd really like to read the thoughts of the diesel community.

Thanks, Jan

 

[tlcruiserman]

Jan,

I too took a look at this and asked questions. I think it is possible I just wish I knew what was in the bottle. I am going to order a kit to check it out. I think the risk is worth the reward (or failure)

They had some very interesting things to say about running straight oil, they did make sense.

Cheers,

Michael

http://www.dieselsecret.com/

Please have a look at this, and let me know what you think.

I know it sounds too good to be true, and there is not a lot of specific information there. The FAQ section and the email questions are answered pretty well. I also emailed them a list of questions yesterday, and got very precise answers today.

Has anyone heared of this? Am I being a complete fool?
I have a pretty good chemistry and biology education, so it would not surprise me if there were ways to make oil less viscous.

Anyway, I'd really like to hear some input.

Stone, please do not move this to chat for now, it will die there with a bunch of sarcastic answers, but I'd really like to read the thoughts of the diesel community.

Thanks, Jan

 

[Jan-78FJ40]

Jan,

I too took a look at this and asked questions. I think it is possible I just wish I knew what was in the bottle. I am going to order a kit to check it out. I think the risk is worth the reward (or failure)

They had some very interesting things to say about running straight oil, they did make sense.

Cheers,

Michael

I'll split the cost of the kit and setup with you.
cheers,
Jan

 

[Dogsled]

Looking forward to hearing more about this...particularly cold temp operation issues if they arise!

 

[Deny]

Holy Sh!t,
I thought my mom was on crack when she said she saw a program on BBC world about making this stuff, but I guess not. I wonder if there is any byproduct, what kind of chemicals they use, and if you have to keep buying stuff from them, or can get them anywhere. It sort of sounds too good to be true, but hell we don't know till we try, right? How much for their kit?

 

[Jan-78FJ40]

Holy Sh!t,
I thought my mom was on crack when she said she saw a program on BBC world about making this stuff, but I guess not. I wonder if there is any byproduct, what kind of chemicals they use, and if you have to keep buying stuff from them, or can get them anywhere. It sort of sounds too good to be true, but hell we don't know till we try, right? How much for their kit?

It's on their site. the kit with the instructions and video and a first bottle of magic juice is 40$. additional bottles (good for 150 gallons) are 13$. the 'soup' needs some more ingredients that can be purchased locally.

I have not found another place to get this, they might be the only supplier. I have access to great labs and knowledgeable people, so I'll have a sample run on some chromatographs to see what it is.
Anyway, if it is true, it is cheap.
J

 

[Deny]

I have not found another place to get this, they might be the only supplier. J

If it is common in Europe, maybe try going to a biodiesel board, and asking some of the European guys about it, there are probably a few suppliers in Europe. The BBC documentary my mom saw was from from Britain, I wonder if there is a way to see that, cause they go through all the steps, but my mom can't really explain it right, too bad she didn't tape it.
Good luck and let us know how it goes

 

[Jan-78FJ40]

If it is common in Europe, maybe try going to a biodiesel board, and asking some of the European guys about it, there are probably a few suppliers in Europe. The BBC documentary my mom saw was from from Britain, I wonder if there is a way to see that, cause they go through all the steps, but my mom can't really explain it right, too bad she didn't tape it.
Good luck and let us know how it goes

I did that, wasted half my day yesterday
nothing on german, spansish, french or british boards.
I asked them that, and they said it was not viable there, since 80% of the fuel prices are taxes, and they would be taxed the same for the final product, making it not viable...

 

[Deny]

Yeah,
I heard there was a big crack down in Britain on biodiesel makers, because they were not paying road tax. But I have a lot of family in Europe, and they say that most farms back home (Cz rep) run only on this stuff, but when we press them for information, they never get us any, really frustrating. Maybe it's really top secret
Cheers,
Deny

 

[lshobie]

I wonder if this would work in colder climates?

Regards

 

[aamiggia]

If you can run SVO through a diesel engine at the right temp., it shouldn't be difficult to treat that oil to have a lower viscosity.

The additives probably do a quick de-esterfication of te oil and solidify the gylcerin. The filters that the web site mentions probably capture the solids and the rest is bio-diesel. Since it happens in a single container and is pump through a filter, you don't have to worry about it cloging things in the vehicle.

This reminds me of the South Park episode with the knomes.

"Step 1... collect under pants.

Step 3... make profit

What about step 2? We haven't figured that out yet!"

I am very interested in the results. Please keep us informed.
Alex

 

[brownbear]

since 80% of the fuel prices are taxes, and they would be taxed the same for the final product, making it not viable...

thats stupid. why would you have to tell them what you are doing in your home. I thought Canada was bad for Tax, they won't know if were making our own brew.

 

[lshobie]

Sometimes the MTO here in ontario do spot checks on diesels - looking for stove oil or farm diesel. It's coloured differently.

I still liked the Jet A, less smelly. I'm going to try this stuff though - only 40 usd, less than a case of beer.

Regards

 

[Deny]

thats stupid. why would you have to tell them what you are doing in your home. I thought Canada was bad for Tax, they won't know if were making our own brew.

That was the problem, too many people making it and not paying taxes, that is why they did the crackdown, and I remember hearing that cops would be out sniffing the exhaust, then they would pull you over, and you would have to show either a reciept for buying it, or proof you were paying the taxes, but I am sure you could buy one tank every now and then and make it yourself anyway, they couldn't tell how many kms you drove right? I don't know if this is exactly what happened, because I heard this and did not read it myself. Maybe one of the European members on this board can tell us what is happening there?
Cheers,
Deny

 

[lshobie]

I run 2 businesses and there are always so many people with thier hands in my pockets, it's hard to make it worth while.

I am sure the gov't here will legislate home made fuels in the future - or atleast do something to continue to suck us dry.

Regards

 

[polarweasel]

Snake oil... here's a report from someone who bought the kit...

Basically, the instructions tell you to mix WVO (waste veggie oil) with gasoline, kerosene, and his magic potion, which appears to be acetone. As the temperature drops, increase the amount of kerosene in the mix and decrease the WVO. Nice non-fossil alternative fuel, there.

 

[crushers]

Sometimes the MTO here in ontario do spot checks on diesels - looking for stove oil or farm diesel. It's coloured differently.

I still liked the Jet A, less smelly. I'm going to try this stuff though - only 40 usd, less than a case of beer.

Regards

i know there is spot checks for purple diesel, usually at flea markets, auctions etc where farmers hang out but i never new running stove oil was illegal...

 

[lshobie]

Ya, I am pretty sure it is because we dont pay road tax on it either.

 

[crushers]

our goverment, don't yah just love em?

 

[Landpimp]

yup, in WA they have specail cops that do just that, they will even pull ya over to check. Also at the heavy equipment auctions they check pickups for red dsl. Basicly if you have a tank in the back of your truck.........don't run fuel oil.......

QUOTE=crushers]i know there is spot checks for purple diesel, usually at flea markets, auctions etc where farmers hang out but i never new running stove oil was illegal...[/QUOTE]