AltFuel What is this? Magic? Ripoff? Biofuel related...

[roscoFJ73]

thats stupid. why would you have to tell them what you are doing in your home. I thought Canada was bad for Tax, they won't know if were making our own brew.

Im hearing a similar story in oz for those who wish to sell it.
Small biodiesel producers are being made unviable by taxes unless they make millions of liters.
The ideal set up for biodiesel is one farmer making the stuff from his crops and supplying 4-5 neighbours with fuel but the govt dont see it that way.

You would think any govt would jump at the chance to eliminate fuel transport costs between the Middle East and your doorstep and at the same time be freed from the political turmoil that is the ME.

Im getting visions of secret stills with camo netting and cruisers gathering for a drink of the illegal stuff

The secret diesel ingredient ,Im not so sure about.
To fully convince me ,I would like to see some long term independant testing on a range of diesels.
The type of testing where they examine the engine , oils and filters before and after with a microscope.
However at the price therE is not much to lose

 

[Technikev]

In the 15 years I have lived in Alberta, I have seen only one road check for purple fuel - out on some back road near a small farming town. This dyed fuel is legal for all off road uses: tractors, stoves, construction equipment, whatever. If you mostly drive in the city you can probably get away with running dyed fuel. The fines are not that high if you drive alot of miles and don't get caught very often. And as long as your neighbors don't tattle on you for filling your truck from your tank... In Alberta most people heat with natural gas so there are not very many oil tanks, so if you had one it might raise some suspicion. The dye in the fuel also colors your fuel filter and the inside of your tank so even if you currently run clean diesel but used dyed, and someone checked your filter... Busted!

My father used to haul fuel, and he told me that the only difference between stove oil and the diesel you buy at the gas station is a little bottle of concentrated dye. The diesel comes out of the same tank at the bulk plant. He said that sometimes they don't even dye the stuff.

And jet fuel? You thought that low sulfur diesel was dry, try some of that stuff. Yeah, sure it runs good, but it will really wear your moving parts that rely on fuel for lubrication. Cold climate operators that use this fuel regularly use specially hardened or modified fuel pumps to stand up to the lack of lube.

 

[SamB]

Here in New Zealand we don't pay taxes when you buy diesel, you have to pay Road User Charges instead (so you pay for say 10,000Km in one go and the cost is different depending on weight, axles etc)

So.... the govt doesn't have any problem with people making there own fuels so long as it isn't dangerous!

 

[honk]

Here in New Zealand we don't pay taxes when you buy diesel, you have to pay Road User Charges instead (so you pay for say 10,000Km in one go and the cost is different depending on weight, axles etc)

So.... the govt doesn't have any problem with people making there own fuels so long as it isn't dangerous!

That's a very sensible way to go about taxing - you pay for your use of the public roads, the amount of payment for the roads directly related to how much the payor uses the roads.

It's way to simple for the US of course, and would deprive the gov't of one of it's largest cash cows.

 

[crushers]

it would be an income loss for the Canadian goverment as well. they tax the fuel for road dedication and spend it on whatever our great goverment decides to.
one thing our goverment is great for, creating a new tax. i would be willing to bet if they created a new road user tax, they would do it in conjunction with the taxes already on the fuel we drive so please do not suggest this to parliment.
cheers

 

[aamiggia]

Basically, the instructions tell you to mix WVO (waste veggie oil) with gasoline, kerosene, and his magic potion, which appears to be acetone. As the temperature drops, increase the amount of kerosene in the mix and decrease the WVO. Nice non-fossil alternative fuel, there.

[RANT=aamiggia] That thread was basically useless, as this one is becoming because of the gov't tax thread hijack. There were 2 good posts om it and 20 sarcastic comments. It's obivously not a solution for hippies trying to avoid the use of fossil fuels. It's for people trying to beat the gas price system. [/RANT]

From the thread in Frybrid.com:

"Basically the manual tells you to buy a Walmart plastic garbage can a couple of pumps and a couple of household water filters, hoses and fittings. Install a Goldenrod filter in one for water removal and wa-lah your system is ready. Actually you also add Kerosene (10% ratio), unleaded gasoline (5% ratio), some Diesel-Kleen+Cetane boost and the magical/miracle potion (DSE) and then pump in your tank. Its pink in color and smells somewhat like paint thinner.

...

It also has a chart stating that it is good to 30 degrees. Add 5% more kerosene for every 10 degrees colder. Blow is the mixing ratio, you guys are the gurus out here. What's your opinion?

20gal filtered WVO, 2gal Kerosene, 1gal unleaded gas, 15oz Power Service+Centane boost additive, 3.5oz of DSE mix slowly for 5 minuets and put it in the tank."

Any comments on the mix?

 

[A2B in a TLC]

I agree w. aamiggia, lets stay on topic.

"20gal filtered WVO, 2gal Kerosene, 1gal unleaded gas, 15oz Power Service+Centane boost additive, 3.5oz of DSE mix slowly for 5 minuets and put it in the tank"

Anyone used the mix? I don't care whether this "sounds" like snake oil. I just care that it works, saves money, and does not cause engine failure. Oh.. and that its enviro friendly, of course.

Bruce

P.S. My father, a former Regional Director with Revenue Canada Excise Tax, says he does not think that using vegetable oil, etc on a small scale (similar to Ubrew beer or wine) will cause problems w. revenue Cda. Only if you use fuel like stove oil that is NOT taxed because it is not meant to be used in autos.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

where do you get 20 gallons of cheap filterd WVO?

 

[lshobie]

You get it from a restaurant i suppose - then filter it.

A guy was over looking at one of my cruisers last weekend, he has a mercedes diesel that he runs just about everything in. He puts used engine oil, wvo, brake fluid, acetone that he used to clean paint brushes, old oily looking stuff that he forgot what it was, you name it he burns it. All his neighbours bring in thier old oils for him to run in his car. The main ingredient is wvo and a little gas sometimes.

He said the car was smoking like hell on diesel and doesnt smoke at all now. Although it is harder to start - he has a can of either to help it. Hes doesn't use the car in the winter because he says it wont start. He only paid 500 for it and doesnt care if it dies - just an experiment mainly to see what he can run in it.

 

[tlcruiserman]

I ordered this stuff from the company and after waiting several days for an official response/acknowledgement from the company I decided it was time to get a refund.

I will say that I did get an acknowledgement from Paypal but that is automated and of course they took my money right away. I sent an email, no reply, then I tried to called, just got voicemail. I sent another email requesting immediate refund based on no acknowledgement also mentioning ramifications if they did not responded and cc'd my lawyer. Then they send an email back explaining that it would be 4 more days and my acknowledgment was from my Paypal. I responded and said refund today please and thank you, and a credit was issued via Paypal.

I will not say this is snake oil, and I am sure it works, but here is my issue with it. The advertisement is very deceptive, stating that for 49cents a gallon you can drive your diesel, in reality it is 49cents direct cost and your time and labor to come up with the fuel, most other have labor/time effort as well but they are straight up front about that. Then there is the mystery juice, I have no doubt this is some type of stabilizer that is very useful but again no information not even some indication what they bring to the table with it. Also in the Q&A there are a few comments that are very condescending basically saying if you can’t put the effort into it then go waste your money on diesel (paraphrasing here), and not exactly the type of message a good company would be sending out.

I will say that had I been given a receipt shortly after they got my money I would have tried it just to give them the chance but since they really could not be bothered and the other stuff, I decided nope, not going to deal with this guy (and I am pretty sure it is one guy).

Now if you are just looking for lower cost per gallon then look into “green diesel” and “black diesel” this will give you that, and here is the interesting point for all those worried about road tax. Do the additives you buy an put in your tank have road tax? In the USA I can tell you no, they are considered additives. If that is the case where you live then if you are mixing something with Diesel you purchase and pay road tax on then it is also and additive and probably not subject to road tax either. I think that might be a good reason to look into “green diesel”.

I am going to stick with my original plan and run Bio-oil, there is some cost for the extra tank and heating but it will still be the cheapest and environmentally the safest. I will report back once my testing is over and I have my cruiser running on it all the time.

Cheers,

Michael