Westcott designs preload installed. Any ideas with problem? (1 Viewer)

[TheGrrrrr]

Red Flag! Who drains the KDSS system? I'm with @TheGrrrrr . At least you got them to admit it.

It seems odd to me that a dealer who has the equipment to recharge the KDSS doesn't know how to do a lift. They either didn't actually recharge it with the proper equipment (most dealers have to borrow the equipment from a different dealer in their region) or they were just looking to rip you off by doing unnecessary work. It just doesn't make sense.

My guess is some junior tech opened the valves too far and they purged, and the service director didn't want to take the (expensive) hit for a recharge on his bottom line. It still seems unlikely to me that an improperly charged KDSS would cause the rear axle to shift like you described.

 

[broyles outdoors]

Red Flag! Who drains the KDSS system? I'm with @TheGrrrrr . At least you got them to admit it.

Now a bit furious

 

[broyles outdoors]

Just got off phone with Jeff from Wescott and he agreed KDSS should have never been drained. Has to be fully charged to correct PSI and fixed back. Like a dummy I was even charged for the 3 quarts to refill it

 

[broyles outdoors]

It seems odd to me that a dealer who has the equipment to recharge the KDSS doesn't know how to do a lift. They either didn't actually recharge it with the proper equipment (most dealers have to borrow the equipment from a different dealer in their region) or they were just looking to rip you off by doing unnecessary work. It just doesn't make sense.

My guess is some junior tech opened the valves too far and they purged, and the service director didn't want to take the (expensive) hit for a recharge on his bottom line. It still seems unlikely to me that an improperly charged KDSS would cause the rear axle to shift like you described.

But it never had a problem until they drained the KDSS. So it could be throwing everything out of sorts

 

[goldwater58]

It takes some very special/specific equipment to fix what was done to the KDSS. Most Toyota dealers don't even have the tool required, let alone a properly trained technician that has some true familiarity with the KDSS system. Hopefully the stars will align and you can find a truly good dealer.

 

[-uhuru-]

OP isn't describing a lean, he is describing a shift in the alignment of the rear axle. The colloquialism "dog leg" or "dog tracking" reference the way dogs sometimes run with their hind legs not in line with their front legs.

Thanks for clearing that up. That is very common here in Latin America. You see it in salvaged trucks where the chassis has been severly damaged. They have that pace horse sided walk.

Sorry I am mowing and typing. The kdss was drained and fixed back

As others have pointed out, draining the KDSS is not necessary. KDSS is a completely mechanical system (hydraulic) that is sealed for life. Theoretically, it does not require service. For your reference, my rig is a 2010 and KDSS oil has never been changed and is functioning properly.

That being said, I believe that your dog leg situation is lift related and not KDSS.

If your rear axle has shifted an adjustable panhard rod will solve it. The threaded adjuster on the panhard rod will allow you to set it to the exact length necessary to get that rear end back into geometry.

 

[Tex68w]

Man this is a bummer, I hope the incompetent dealer makes this right for you or another more competent dealer with the dealer in violation covering the costs in full.

 

[GordJ]

I had the same issue when I tried a lift in my ‘08. Suffered from torque steer and the alignment guy couldn’t correct it. The panhard solution was suggested but I just went back to oem. I have seen most people not suffer this and a few that do but I can’t explain it either way. I have also seen what looks like knowledgeable explanations of the geometry that say the panhard way isn’t the best but relocating the attachment point on the suspension is better. Obviously if you have a diagonal rod that is attached to the axle at regular height it has to move the axle ”sideways” when the distance between the axle and frame changes. Think of a pendulum with a horizontal bar attached.

 

[bloc]

I had the same issue when I tried a lift in my ‘08. Suffered from torque steer and the alignment guy couldn’t correct it. The panhard solution was suggested but I just went back to oem. I have seen most people not suffer this and a few that do but I can’t explain it either way. I have also seen what looks like knowledgeable explanations of the geometry that say the panhard way isn’t the best but relocating the attachment point on the suspension is better. Obviously if you have a diagonal rod that is attached to the axle at regular height it has to move the axle ”sideways” when the distance between the axle and frame changes. Think of a pendulum with a horizontal bar attached.

 

[SEAWOLF]

Did this get resolved? I’m considering the wescott kit but wanted to check here first…

 

[broyles outdoors]

Did this get resolved? I’m considering the wescott kit but wanted to check here first…

It did we decided to remove back because only if you have a third row or heavy weight you would need this. It aligned correct now. You will have to trim if you get bigger tires

 

[studawg]

So I had the local Toyota dealership install my preload collar lift front and rear on my 21 LC heritage. Now I have what the tech calls a “dogleg” in the rear axel and it will not align correctly and tends to drift to the right passenger side. They told me to order an adjustable pad hard bar, which I have but yet to install (because if it doesn’t work I am sending back) may correct problem. Jeff at westcott said this would not correct my issue and he has never heard of this in all his lifts. The car stayed on a showroom floor til 12-4-21 and we now have 4000 miles on it. It was perfect before doing this. I put this on here hoping I could get some insight. Any help would be greatly appreciated

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Questions:

1. So you are running the Wescott lift without the rear coil spacer in that pic? Or is that pic with the rear spacer installed?
2. What size tires are those?
3. Are you running wheel spacers? If so, what width?

Thank you

 

[broyles outdoors]

Questions:

1. So you are running the Wescott lift without the rear coil spacer in that pic? Or is that pic with the rear spacer installed?
2. What size tires are those?
3. Are you running wheel spacers? If so, what width?

Thank you

It has rear in pic. I will post pic of without

Tires are 285/70 18 nitro ridge grappler

And yes 1.25 spacers

 

[broyles outdoors]

Questions:

1. So you are running the Wescott lift without the rear coil spacer in that pic? Or is that pic with the rear spacer installed?
2. What size tires are those?
3. Are you running wheel spacers? If so, what width?

Thank you

It is 1.5 higher on n rear without spacers installed in rear

 

[broyles outdoors]

It has rear in pic. I will post pic of without

Tires are 285/70 18 nitro ridge grappler

And yes 1.25 spacers View attachment 3006239

Nitto