Warn "automatic" hubs

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They're called "Lock-O-Matic"s. I had a set on a OlllllO back in the early '80's. (Warn's attempt to take the "next step" in hub technology - "shift on the fly", back in the 70's ('60's??))

The way they work is, they have a nylon "FRICTION SHOE" ring inside of the hub. This ring looks like a gear ring, with little blocks (INSIDE surface) instead of teeth. If you have your hubs set to "AUTO" (normal "street" mode) & shift your TC into 4WD without locking the hubs, the clutches engage WHILE THERE IS POWER TO THE AXLE. When you coast or brake, they disengage; then re-engage when you get on the gas again. When you are in 2WD (NO power through the front axles), they remain unlocked. I remember literature (they were still sold back then) that said that it was primarily an ... "emergency" - type setting (not really intended for extended / HD 4-wheeling use) ... like, if you are running down an unimproved road, round a corner, and end up in all kinds of mud, etc where you wanted 4 WD to get you onto firmer ground, but didn't want to stop, get out, lock hubs, etc ...

Of course, the weak-point was obviously the (nylon) friction shoe ring. If you ever actually PUSHED them (not really THAT hard), they would strip the blocks off the ring, and spin. (Sounded like a model 20 rear spinning an axle). After replacing about 3-4 sets of the clutch rings (they were a standard repair-kit sold by warn, and kept on-hand by anyone who sold warn hubs), I finally just considered them "Hand-Lockers", and never used them in "Auto" mode (as in, "Shift into 4WD on the fly") again, and replaced them with standard warn locking hubs as soon as I could. From what I can remember, unless you did a complete disassemble, super-clean & rebuild; once you blew a hub, then you would keep blowing hubs. Also, failure to SUPER-maintain the hubs tended to lead to a blown hub (from remembered conversations with other 4-wheelers, mechanics, and parts guys who had dealt with them).

They have 2 settings, "Auto" and "Locked". Locked is .... "Locked" (normal locked for hubs). "Auto" is "Unlocked" until you: A) Put the TC into 4WD, and B) ONLY when you are accelerating / pulling. Does NOT allow you to 4WD compression brake (You can Comp-brake, but only the rear 2 wheels will actually "pull" - the front wheels are disengaged and free-wheel).

The simplest way to tell if they are REALLY OK is to start to take the hubs apart, and look for the "clutch ring" to be intact (all the blocks in place - simetrical, and no parts floating around). IF they are all there, then, have them re-assembled, and use it as a normal locker (YOU lock by hand when you need it) UNTIL YOU CAN REPLACE IT. Out on the trail is no place for the hub to blow, especially since you can't get the clutches any more. Plenty of people here can give you better advice than me on the best hubs for an FJ. I just know that the aisan's on mine work.

BTW - a quick check; I couldn't find any friction shoes for warn lock-o-matics; BUT - here is a D/L PDF about them / disassembly / repair, etc:

http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/heavychevy396/2010-01-18_143954_warn_selective_lock_o_matic.pdf

Good luck

PS - I think the difference between "Select-o-matic" & "Lock-o-matic" hubs is about the same as the difference between a Ford Taurus & a Mercury Sable. Basically just a different name, for business reasons. (i.e. - Manufacturers wanted "Select-O-Matics" as a dealer option, and after-market could buy "Lock-O-Matics"). I've never seen anything definitive that shows a difference between the 2. Just my $0.02
 
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great, and accurate, description. thanks for the post. people think I am crazy when I try to explain these.
 
I guess i'm just an old ****. I like getting out and locking and unlocking my hubs. Push buttons and switches scare me. :eek:
 
Warn Automatic Hubs

I'm hoping to revive this thread.

When I was replacing the inner axle seal I wanted to get to the bearing. But I found this stupid locking device preventing me from getting to the bearing adjusting nut. The device is actually pretty awesome because it wouldn't budge at all. Unfortunately, one of the POs completely mangled the allen head set screws. I put the whole thing on the back burner because I couldn't find anything about it in the FSM or Haynes manual. Last night I made a sincere attempt to find out what kind of Warn hubs I have. And that's when I found this thread.

I especially want to say thank you to Dgangle for posting that PDF. I've included two pictures, the first being the entire hub assembly after the front wheel was taken off (also before I cleaned it up). The second picture is the drag shoe nut. I'm guessing right now my only option for removing that thing is to drill out the allen head screws. Which leads to my next point.

Has anyone that owns these found a source for replacement parts? Does anyone have updates on their experiences with these? They do seem pretty beefy. Can anyone make a comparison to to non-automatic variety? I was glad to see Captn Conch's one and only post was an awesome review of these hubs.

BTW, for anyone tearing into one, I made gaskets out of the cardboard that soft drinks come in. I tore off the top shiny layer, traced and cut. They've worked perfectly so far...
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I do not think there are any replacement parts, they only made them for a very short while. They supposedly work great and are reliable but like said way back in the thread were to complex and expensive to make. I got them on my axles, had to do some research on them and ask question here because I had never seen them.

There is no button it has like a clutch in the and lock in when the shaft starts spinning faster then the wheels complexity I guess is not to lock them when wheels are spinning faster then the shaft that is not moving. And you can lock them manually and be 100% sure. Kind of cool I think.
 
read or re-read posts 8 & 11 from 3 yrs ago.


No parts available from Warn.
 
I guess the thing I was really curious about is if I'm doing light to moderate wheeling, will these hubs hold up or should I go ahead replace them with some Aisins?

(seems like the consensus is that Aisins are the strongest available)
 
I remember when these were for sale, I think 20 years ago I saw them in a catalog. I never heard of problems with the Warn Autos, but the Toyota autos that came around '85 in the Xtra Cab SR5 were awful from what I remember and Toyota got rid of that idea real quick.
 
Great find Toll, thanks for posting. That's the animal right there.

Mine were for the coarse birfs and glad they went bye-bye with the crappy MAF disc brake conversion mine was sportin'.
 
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