Kirk, THAT sounds like a LC swap motor. Isn't that gonna be going in the '08 Rangers and Exploders?
V10 Diesel conversion
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Its a long story. I think it was orignally developed for the f150 and after it was too late to cancel development ford bailed. the engine was done and ready for production. Ford and International then figured to use it with the small box truck market against isuzu and mitsubishi. they built a frame and used the power stroke trans bought the cab from mazda and whalla-a box truck.
If they were to put it in a exploder I would buy it. it is way overkill for anything that small. It can go up to 17.5k gvw i think. I hope one pops up used soon!
Wow, then what is the new diesel that is suposed to go in the Rangers and Exploders in '08, or atleast in an '08 concept.
bjowett
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Awesome swap... I'd say find a complete wrecked vehicle. Simply thinking about the wire harness in a Touareg scares the sh*t outa me... never mind the 20+ computers that control everything.
Why not go for the 6 speed Aisin auto while you are at it?
Why not go for the 6 speed Aisin auto while you are at it?
The big problem is going to be with the computers. Your going to have to find a different way of powering the engine. Because one module fault will cause all kinds of problems and put the engine in limp home mode.
Do a search for Vagcom. It's the main programing software it may have the abilitty to disable some of the input into the ECU. If so then you might be able to make it work.
Having owned two Turdeggs and modified some of the systems on them. I would never even think of moving that engine into another vehicle.
fj40charles
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You don't know Gary.. Since when has anything mega expensive become an road block for Gary. He is very good at fabrication and can troubleshoot any problems.
Waggoner5
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The big problem is going to be with the computers. Your going to have to find a different way of powering the engine. Because one module fault will cause all kinds of problems and put the engine in limp home mode.
Do a search for Vagcom. It's the main programing software it may have the abilitty to disable some of the input into the ECU. If so then you might be able to make it work.
Having owned two Turdeggs and modified some of the systems on them. I would never even think of moving that engine into another vehicle.
This is the info that I wanted to hear. I will look further into it.
Thanks,
G
I remember back in the mid-90s when the naysayers were making the same kind of statements about the Vortec engines -- too compicated, too many electrical components, too much chance of component failure. Sure the engine is complicated, but along with that is associated some pretty fabulous German engineering. Properly set up, that engine should be extremely reliable. Go for it Gary!!!!
I say go for it also. But this engine nor any other VW touareg engine is like any other. The computer system is so tied to the vehicle it's going to be hard to get it to think everything is ok.
You have got all kinds of stepper motors, temps senders, emissions, tranny sensors, leveling sensors (all v-10 had this) as well as traction control devices. If any one of these systems fail or don't respond to the central computer it will put the vehicle in limp home mode.
Go for it. If you need any help in the wiring side I'll see what I can dig up.
bjowett
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I have VAG.com... I wouldn't own the t-reg w/o it. There are hacked versions floating around for cheap.
bjowett:
Hey brother... hows your Syncro-C doing? I still havent got around to converting a C to awd... maybe some day.... amazing you still own it after all these years....
Those interested in VAG TDI's:
Volkswagen AG offers industrial Diesel engines. They come with a warranty and are meant to convert a gasser over to a diesel as a turn key conversion.
I havent seen them in the 5.0 V10 but I am sure they might have it availible being that engine is also used in the industrial vans. I know it is offered in the 1.9TD and 2.0TD. They are mechanical injection pumps and do not use a computer. They are by no means a weak or underpowered engine. They rev up like a gasser just like the TDI's. You can still use a TDI with the cpu and VAG-COM. Some wires wont be used just like on other engine conversions. Most problems seen with TDI's in North America can be eliminated with the VAG-COM (carbon buildup in intake, etc...). Everyone I know that has begun to modify their Golf and Jetta TDI's begin with a baseline dyno. The hp and torque numbers match Volkswagens stated numbers. So 90hp is measured at the wheel....... One thing I find off is chips normally grant a decent 30% increase in hp and torque in all VAG TDI applications except when it comes to the V10TDI. The V10TDI only seems to see a 14% increase. Not sure why but I was hoping to see better numbers..... like 407hp and 719ft-lbs with a simple addition of a chip. Chip'd TDI's remain reliable and the longivity is still there too.... with nossles and injectors normally you would see another 25-30% and still be streetable..... btw VAG races their TDI's and then tears into the engines at the end of the season.... they see almost zero bearing wear.
Yes Im a VAG TDI fanatic... same with TLC's.... the 5.0 V10TDI is lite compared to other diesels... it has a much better weight to power ratio...
got to run for now... wife is calling me.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Volkswagen_engines#313_hp_5.0L_V10_TDI
313 hp 5.0L V10 TDI
The V10 TDI is the biggest diesel engine used in personal cars. It has been used in a Lola sports car in 2004 to compete Le Mans under a Caterpillar badge (perkins.com).
Configuration
4,921 cc water cooled 90° V10
Cylinders Bore × stroke 81 x 95.5 (0,85 ratio), 492 cc/cylinder, 88 mm cylinder spacing, low-pressure die-cast aluminium alloy block (AlSi8Cu3) with bolted-on grey cast iron bearing tunnel and crank carrier.
Head light metal alloy, crossflow, inlet side within the V, gear driven single overhead cam, two valves per cylinder, 18:1 Compression ratio
Fuel system Common rail direct injection diesel, Bosch EDC 16 management, 2050 bar unit injector pump, solenoid valve, 72° ignition interval
Aspiration two electrically-controlled Garrett GT1852V variable vane turbochargers with intercooler
Dimensions 544 mm length
Output
230 kW (313 hp) @ 3,750 rpm, 750 N·m (553 ft·lbf) @ 2,000 rpm
250 kW (340 hp) @ 3,750 rpm, 750 N·m (553 ft·lbf) @ 1,750 rpm with piezo injectors, 2007 Touareg
aftermarket 257 kW (350 hp), 850 N·m
Available on
VW Touareg, VW Phaeton
references
VW AG (2003-03-24). VW Phaeton V10 TDI In Detail. Press release.
VW AG (2004-03-03). VW Touareg - In Depth. Press release.
Twelve cylinder:
500 hp 6.0L V12 TDI
configuration
5,934 cc 60° V12
cylinders Bore × stroke 83 × 91.4 mm, 494,5 cc/cylinder, cracked forged piston rods, aluminium forged pistons
head aluminium alloy lower section with integrated intake and escape channels, engine oil flow guiding upper section, camshafts stored within a reinforcing ladder frame, low-friction roller cam followers valves actuation, 16:1 compression ratio
crankcase GJV-450 cast-iron with vermicular graphite, cast iron reinforced by nodular graphite main bearing bracket, chrome-molybdenum steel alloy forged crankshaft
fuel system Bosch 2,000 bar common rail, eight-hole jets piezo injectors, up to five injections
aspiration one turbocharger on the outside of each cylinder bank, adjustable guide vane geometry, up to 2.6 bar charge pressure, two intercoolers
exhaust double-flow exhaust system with two particulate filters, Euro 5 emissions class, exhaust gas recirculation
Dimensions
684 mm length
output
368 kW (500 bhp), 1,000 Nm from 1,750 to 3,000 rpm in the Audi Q7
references
Audi AG (2006-09-11). The World’s Most Powerful Diesel Passenger Car. Press release.
bjowett
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The Corrado has been sitting for some time. It's in excellent shape... it will come out to play again... some day.
It's funny how many VW/AUdi folks are Toyota guys, too. Run with this V10 conversion... just plain cool.
It's funny how many VW/AUdi folks are Toyota guys, too. Run with this V10 conversion... just plain cool.
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euclid
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"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]it is designed for power levels well in excess of 1100HP"
Sure would be cool.
What happened to your Duramax idea? I liked that one. Maybe a custom valve body in a moddern Allison with push button lockup in all gears?
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Sure would be cool.
What happened to your Duramax idea? I liked that one. Maybe a custom valve body in a moddern Allison with push button lockup in all gears?
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That motor is pretty cool, but it don't look like the torque matches the HP (usually 2:1?). I ain't no expert by no means, just a passin observation...