Trail Tailor in bumper winch plate install

[TonyP]

The name is TonyP.
Because it's a silly, loaded, question. Of course it hasn't been. Do you know the costs of crash testing?
Where does TJM claim they do crash/Airbag testing?
The airbag crash sensor is in tact irregardless of whatever bumper you put in.

 

[LALC]

TJM notes they are ADR compliant which AFAIK requires crash testing. ARB notes not only in-house crash testing but also third-party crash testing to confirm their results. I didn't mention them but IronMan reports crash testing and ADR compliance as well. Look, I'm not trashing Trail Tailor at all, I just asked if they were crash tested. I'm not sure why you had to jump into this other than to spread misinformation.

 

[TonyP]

One could also ask why you jumped into this thread. Dude is trying to show off his winch plate which people have asked for. Then you ask a question that was quite obvious. Jason is a one man operation (plus Andrea). Does he have $80k to buy a new 200 series that'll be crash testd, among the hundreds of thousands of dollars it costs to actually crash test a product, and crash test his stuff to make a few bucks for a winch bar? I'm not defending anyone's company or anything, just defending common sense.

ADR isn't NHTSA.

What misinformation?

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

Not crash tested, but if it's that important to you or others look elsewhere. Have a nice day.

J

 

[LALC]

Thanks for answering, TT. I would love to have this over the 2016 TJM I'm waiting for, honestly. The only thing I need an actual bumper guard for is deer, but I'd give that up for a winch and the aerodynamics. I just have to watch out for my literal babies in the vehicle, hence the question. Appreciate your quick response.

 

[Itsky]

Toyota doesn’t even crash test the LC in the USA.

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

Thanks for answering, TT. I would love to have this over the 2016 TJM I'm waiting for, honestly. The only thing I need an actual bumper guard for is deer, but I'd give that up for a winch and the aerodynamics. I just have to watch out for my literal babies in the vehicle, hence the question. Appreciate your quick response.

Plain and simple you could take every USA fabricator and add all our cruiser bumpers (all models) sales together for a year and it might be what ARB, TJM, Ironman sell in a day or two. I know that one of my contacts in SA, Dubai and AUS sells 8-10 TJM and ARB 200 series per day (just front bumper) they have 11 locations... That's one of 1000s of distributors for ARB and TJM worldwide..

If I were selling $20-30K in bumpers a day things would be a little different.

 

[linuxgod]

FWIW I don't know that TJM, Ironman, or ARB have necessarily crash-tested their designs either.

FYI here's the ADR info on Bull Bar regulations.

https://www.transport.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/147844/Bull_Bars_V4_February_2018.pdf
SA.GOV.AU - Bull bars

Emphasis below is mine:

"Vehicles fitted with an airbag or manufactured to comply with Australian Design Rules (ADR) 69 or ADR 73 on Occupant Protection, can only be fitted with a bull bar which has been certified by the vehicle manufacturer as suitable for that vehicle, or has been demonstrated by the bull bar manufacturer to not adversely affect the vehicle's compliance with ADR 69 or ADR 73 or interfere with any critical air bag timing mechanism."

I haven't read the full ADR reg but it may be possible that the gov't considers them ADR-compliant if they use a similar design or perhaps license the manufacturer's design.

 

[CLHickman]

This is awesome! Great job @reevesci on the design. This checks the boxes for those that want the utility of a winch but would like to retain the stock appearance.

I love seeing people with the TT gear installed!

 

[pdxlc200]

Community, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on asking if there were crash tests done with a modification and removal of a stock piece of the 2016 bumper? This other guy seems to have an issue with the ask. I personally like that ARB and TJM do crash tests when they modify and they're very trusted here, just like Trail Tailor is.

Small vendors will never have the financial resources to crash test cars the way an ARB or TJM do. It's one of the reasons why Slee has opted no to do a front bumper for the 200 series. Basically, liability. With that said, a winch mount isn't likely to do anything except increase the strength of your front end. Maybe a little more energy transmitted to the occupants if parts of the crumple zone are removed.

 

[Sam P]

Maybe a stupid question... how is compatibility with an LX?

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

Maybe a stupid question... how is compatibility with an LX?

Never been installed on a LX or to my knowledge to verify compatibility.

J

 

[M1911]

Community, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on asking if there were crash tests done with a modification and removal of a stock piece of the 2016 bumper? This other guy seems to have an issue with the ask. I personally like that ARB and TJM do crash tests when they modify and they're very trusted here, just like Trail Tailor is.

Trail Tailor is basically a one man shop. Crash testing would cost at least $1M.

 

[fj80psi]

My girl will likely Crash Test mine in the Starbucks Drive Through at aprox. 1.5 MPH into the back of a Chevy Cruz. This will be a favor for the owner since the Turbo is failing and it was going to end up on a Tow Truck anyhow when the owner tried to pull out with a Pumpkin Spice Late, spilling all over his Bits, Burning and redefining his manhood. Come on... F@#& crash tested... Pass on the mount. I've got mine. Its a work of art. I Hate to cover it up.

 

[LXstatic]

Dude, if it's that big of a deal to you put your kids in a vehicle sans modifications. Like a Sienna or something...

 

[Fasternfaster]

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[DirtNap]

Dude, if it's that big of a deal to you put your kids in a vehicle sans modifications. Like a Sienna or something...

Having a hidden winch mount on a Sienna would be epic.

Seriously guys, it was a reasonable question to ask, and also reasonable for TT not to test.

 

[TeCKis300]

The fit and finish of this looks excellent. Nicely integrates with the stock bumper. It's what I imagine a stock winch to fit like.

I am a bit disappointed that it would remove the "wings" of the crashbar and not replace it with anything. A partial offset accident, the most likely kind in a head on, would be greatly affected. I'd probably try to reintegrate some portion of the aluminum crash structure or add additional metal wings there. Better than nothing. That's just my personal priorities though.

 

[JetSurfer]

As a small, family owned, American manufacturing business owner, I am just happy to support the same. Just placed my order for the HWM, Come Up winch, and a few other goodies. So far I am super happy with TT / J Reeves responsiveness, help, and professionalism. Parts look great online- I will do some install pics when everything comes.

 

[Cruisin911]

This thread definitely needs more pictures.